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FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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In France you can fill your tax form online since 1999

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A9l%C3%A9d%C3%A9claration...

In the past years banks and companies give tax related information to the tax authority so for lots of people the online tax form is already 100% filled and correct.

For the past year tax filling I just had to add to the web form renting income, tax deducible donations, and that was it.

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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Not sure I understand the hate for TurboTax. Literally not a single person is forced to use it. I do use it and it's a very good product for the most part. Perhaps energy should be directed at the actual tax code complexity rather than software built to help navigate filing. Ted Cruz's tax plan would have practically eliminated the need for TurboTax-type software. https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-senato…

I 100% agree, to bad all you will get in response to your comment is how it is evil companies that prevent the noble and universally good government from helping the people. Unfortunately very few people seem to understand that government, intrinsically, is inefficient and bad at everything it does. This can not be avoided or changed it is the natural state of a monopoly. They seem to be able to recognize that when a…

> Unfortunately very few people seem to understand that government, intrinsically, is inefficient and bad at everything it does.

This is a laughably false statement. It's easy to find stories of government projects that came in ahead of schedule and under budget, but you have to look for them because those stories don't get nearly as much attention as the inverse.

Take the Hoover Dam, for example. That was one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in American history, and came in years ahead of schedule, and millions under budget.[0] Google around infrastructure publications and you'll find dozens more stories like this.

To say that every thing a government does is bad is to fundamentally ignore reality, which is that no, not everything the government does is bad. You can never be taken seriously making sweeping generalizations like that.

0: https://www.marketplace.org/2010/05/28/why-we-might-not-have...

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the thing though: the IRS already has all the information they need for a majority of the population. Why does everyone need to fill out forms themselves only for the government a few years later to say you did it wrong?

Because some people are irrationally biased against government providing services or collecting taxes in general. These are ingrained belief systems being challenged.

Ridiculous thing to say. I am a small government person, and I believe taxation is theft. However, I am a realist and so I recognize that taxes are part of our reality. I am 100% in favor of the IRS making it as easy as possible for people to do their taxes, because they already have 99% of the info needed.

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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Not sure I understand the hate for TurboTax. Literally not a single person is forced to use it. I do use it and it's a very good product for the most part. Perhaps energy should be directed at the actual tax code complexity rather than software built to help navigate filing. Ted Cruz's tax plan would have practically eliminated the need for TurboTax-type software. https://taxfoundation.org/details-and-analysis-senato…

In addition to the lobbying activities that, naturally, garner hate, I dislike them for just being a crappy marketing-driven company that is constantly trying to up sell.

I’ve used them for about 20 years and every year it’s a hassle to find a reasonable price, figure out what they call the product I need each year. I spend as much time trying to figure out what to buy and clicking “no” as I do filing my taxes.

This is as a customer that uses them once a year and that’s it.

If they just sold a clean product, then it would be fine. But they are asshole marketing / rent seeking quite a bit.

Lots of non-savvy friends buy the $200 version instead of the free or $50 version because of the way intuit markets within their product about buying audit protection and what not.

It also infuriates me that their boxes software costs less than the web site. I think companies that sell physical copies of software for less than the website version are jerks. Obviously, they can do this, it’s legal, and people fall for it. But I would feel bad doing this and I think anyone who does this is a bad person.

Therefore, I hate intuit and will switch in an instant when I can.

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because some people are irrationally biased against government providing services or collecting taxes in general. These are ingrained belief systems being challenged.

Ridiculous thing to say. I am a small government person, and I believe taxation is theft. However, I am a realist and so I recognize that taxes are part of our reality. I am 100% in favor of the IRS making it as easy as possible for people to do their taxes, because they already have 99% of the info needed.

> I believe taxation is theft

> However, I am a realist

Choose one.

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ridiculous thing to say. I am a small government person, and I believe taxation is theft. However, I am a realist and so I recognize that taxes are part of our reality. I am 100% in favor of the IRS making it as easy as possible for people to do their taxes, because they already have 99% of the info needed.

> I believe taxation is theft > However, I am a realist Choose one.

I have no idea how you see those two things as mutually exclusive.

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a IRS Tax Software would look more than the universally hated Unemployment Systems, or the government healthcare markets Consider that your opinion on what is "universally hated" is mostly shaped by the sources of information that you consume. Yours happens to be wrong. Overall the country views ObamaCare ~50% favorably, with some specific parts close to 90% approval. > Following Republican efforts to repeal the Af…

> Consider that your opinion on what is "universally hated" is mostly shaped by the sources of information that you consume. Yours happens to be wrong. Overall the country views ObamaCare ~50% favorably, with some specific parts close to 90% approval I support the ACA, but when you implement the benefits in a law and repeal or ignore most of the new taxes and mandates, that will happen.

Okay? There's no reason laws have to have good and bad parts, like a fundamental yin-yang. You can simply write laws without the bad parts.

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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Obligatory mention of https://www.turbotaxsucksass.com/ , which takes you directly to real free file option of each major online tax prep site, bypassing all the misleading not-actually-free filing options that the sites loudly advertise.

I thought the official IRS form filler was discontinued? Does this just take you to another intuit competitor?

EDIT: it just sends you to the free version of turbo tax and has links for the competitors heh

Re: FTC Is Investigating Intuit over TurboTax Practices

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And just to add to this, the IRS software could be significantly easier to use than the commercial offerings. That is because they could pre-populate much of the W2/1099/stock sales/etc data since its all being reported to the IRS from other organizations. For the vast majority of people it could be as simple as logging into a web site and clicking "no" to a bunch of questions like "did you have more than 20k of medi…

>>>And just to add to this, the IRS software could be significantly easier to use than the commercial offerings. Someone has never worked in government contracting or developing Software from Government Committee a IRS Tax Software would look more than the universally hated Unemployment Systems, or the government healthcare markets Not a easy to use streamline system If you want something to be inefficient, have the…

HMRC manage to do this just fine in the UK.

I'm sure many other governments around the world do the same.

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