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Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by Hnrobert42 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 2:49 AM UTC

landryraccoon wrote: post #91

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The U.S. intell community does not do that, empirically. There isn’t even the apparatus for doing that. The US IC’s ties to industry, apart from defense contractors and communications, are very tenuous, hamstrung by clearance and classification problem and a very insular culture. So, in addition to being factually incorrect, is very damaging to the national discourse to normalize CPC’s strategy of wholesale IP th…

> is very damaging to the national discourse to normalize CPC’s strategy of wholesale IP theft. Can you clarify why? China is a state actor. State actors generally can be expected to act in self serving ways. What would be the basis for preventing espionage? Is this a moral argument that spying is evil? Of course countries should protect themselves from foreign espionage if they can, but I don’t see what blame accomp…

The moral argument is that theft is wrong. Further, it discourages innovation.

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by Hnrobert42 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 2:56 AM UTC

nextaccountic wrote: post #104

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The U.S. intell community does not do that, empirically. There isn’t even the apparatus for doing that. The US IC’s ties to industry, apart from defense contractors and communications, are very tenuous, hamstrung by clearance and classification problem and a very insular culture. So, in addition to being factually incorrect, is very damaging to the national discourse to normalize CPC’s strategy of wholesale IP th…

The US intel community engaged in industrial espionage against Brazil's Petrobras. A third world country. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra...

That article foes not substantiate your claim. That article says Snowden-leaked data shows the NSA collected information on Petrobras. There is no indication why. There is no information suggesting the NSA provided that information to US businesses or gathered the information for anything other than national security purposes.

If you have something other than speculation that backs up your claim, I am happy to consider it. But this is not it.

Re: China again boosts R&D spending by more than 10%

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Post by arcticbull » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 6:49 AM UTC

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #110

arcticbull wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US intel community (a) doesn't need to do that because in general US tech is world-class and (b) wouldn't be very good at their jobs if they admitted to it publicly. I suggest you review your Cold War history for examples of when both sides were absolutely stealing each others' technology. When you're top dog, your job is largely counter-intelligence. > So, in addition to being factually incorrect, is very damagi…

You are normalizing CPC actions by stating that the US does it or would do it in the CPC’s position.

It’s normal in that every country would do it given half the chance. That doesn’t make it okay, and it doesn’t mean that countries on the other end should roll over and take it. I’m just saying we shouldn’t sit here gobsmacked that it’s happening. We should assume it’s happening at all times and beef up defenses precisely because it is so normal.

The US absolutely does it, has done it and will do it again. That doesn’t mean chinas not defending themselves against it.