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Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent “ These agents were designed to achieve four objectives:[21][22] to be undetectable using standard 1970s and 1980s NATO chemical detection equipment; to defeat NATO chemical protective gear; to be safer to handle; and to circumvent the Chemical Weapons Convention list of controlled precursors, classes of chemical and physical form.[23]”

The HN crowd loves stories of scrappy upstarts sidestepping the rules so this should play big here.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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As far as I'm concerned, the Germans are about as trustworthy as Russia. They are currently closing the investigation around the Breitscheidplatz[1] terror attack, which has uncovered massive tampering with evidence and more open questions than answers. And let's not forget their history of false flag attacks.[2] Most of you will likely disagree, based on their current public image vs. Russia's, but ask yourselves wh…

The known facts are that the most prominent critic and opposition to the Russian dictator was poisoned in a situation that is highly similar to previous incidents that are confirmed Russian. Considering Putin has had journalists and opposition leaders killed before, and the Russian government tried to prevent the opposition from leaving the country or seeing outside doctors, one has to choose an answer which makes th…

> * confirmed Russian.*

By biased investigators who already claimed so before any investigation was started.

By the same elusive club that wanted Russia blamed for MH17 all along, where doubts are still increasing years later.

> USA is run by someone who is likely under Russian control

You're a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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This guy has gotta be one of the bravest and most principled people out there. Almost anyone else would have determined that fighting this fight has no practical utility, since nothing short of a massive popular uprising could unseat Putin at this point, and Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today. Hard enough to risk your life for something that might have a good outcome. To me, it's almost i…

> Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today > Many Russians would disagree with you [1]. And would you have appetite if you would be treated like the protesters are treated in Russia? [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-49220117

> And would you have appetite if you would be treated like the protesters are treated in Russia?

No, of course not! And that is exactly what I'm saying. I admire the bravery of people who stand up regardless.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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If you ever wonder about the extent of Russia's online efforts consider that the comments on this HN thread might be part of things. Not saying anything in here is good/bad/other but you rarely see this level of flagged and down-voted comments in a HN thread.

I think many Russian people, especially those who watch or read mainly Russian news, hold such views with complete sincerity. The internal propaganda is quite effective.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've seen this poisoning technique used plenty of times by the Kremlin. The message here isn't "we want you dead" but an empirical demonstration that "we can, if we want, kill you anywhere, any time and it doesn't matter how obvious it is that we're the ones doing it. We will face no consequences. In fact we'll make sure to 'sign' our poisoning attempt and do it in a place you think you're safe." Killing a member of…

Username checks out, as they say on reddit.

Not only that, but, dang, and co, is ruled by russian and chinese interests; they flag my posts as soon as I speak the truths. This is too bad. I knew this place was jewish, but, this is the fucking cake. Fucking jew assholes. Enjoy your aids and russian chinese future. Fuckholes.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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If you ever wonder about the extent of Russia's online efforts consider that the comments on this HN thread might be part of things. Not saying anything in here is good/bad/other but you rarely see this level of flagged and down-voted comments in a HN thread.

Russian fanboys, sure. Actual Russian security forces, doubtful. They aren't idiots. They aren't going to pick a fight on HN were things are so easily moderated/downvoted/flagged. The real agents work deep inside their facebook/twitter/whatsapp nests. What we have here are pro-russia but nevertheless amature activists.

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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This is the second time they've done this, IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skripal It's pretty much the ultimate flex, no? "We can kill anyone we want in any country, and you can't do shit about it."

It's even worse. Putin's failed attack on Skripal ultimately resulted in the murder of Dawn Sturgess[0] four months later. This was a case of using illegal chemical weapons on foreign soil, which puts Russia squarely in the same category of rogue nations as North Korea.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Amesbury_poisonings

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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As far as I'm concerned, the Germans are about as trustworthy as Russia. They are currently closing the investigation around the Breitscheidplatz[1] terror attack, which has uncovered massive tampering with evidence and more open questions than answers. And let's not forget their history of false flag attacks.[2] Most of you will likely disagree, based on their current public image vs. Russia's, but ask yourselves wh…

A NATO member is as trustworthy as a country actively trying to destabilize democracy around the world? One who has brazenly done this sort of attack before and has a very obvious recent history of silencing dissidents? I'm all for some healthy skepticism, but this is ridiculous.

A NATO member currently run by someone who grew up in a Stalinist dictatorship, with many members of the party that ruled said dictatorship currently in office around the country.

> One who has brazenly done this sort of attack before and has a very obvious recent history of silencing dissidents?

It is just "obvious" if you are a firm believer in accusations made by the "West".

Re: Russia opposition leader poisoned with Novichok

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This guy has gotta be one of the bravest and most principled people out there. Almost anyone else would have determined that fighting this fight has no practical utility, since nothing short of a massive popular uprising could unseat Putin at this point, and Russians apparently have no appetite for such an uprising today. Hard enough to risk your life for something that might have a good outcome. To me, it's almost i…

Would you support Navalany if you were aware he is a nationalist?

I'm not a Navalany "supporter." I'm an admirer of his bravery in the face of overwhelming odds.
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