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PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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I have a spare phone which I would like to flash but I have not been able to find any device specific information on how to do it. I checked XDA but they don't have any device specific info. Google returns sketchy pages wanting to install software. The phone is not on the list of supported devices on lineage OS website. And I have been unable to find a how-to do it yourself guide. I followed a guide on how to do it o…

How did you do it? Support got dropped for my mi a1

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Do these support Android apps? How would I develop a native app for one of these?

There is initial support for Android apps via Anbox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGpfleG8TMg

Also an Android ROM called GloDroid exists: https://peertube.co.uk/videos/watch/a368a023-ce44-44f0-a42d-...

Native app development depends on the OS, it differs whether you would develop for Ubuntu Touch, the GNOME on Mobile effort by Purism or for Plasma Mobile.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

I share this concern. Their own treasurer raised a concern as to whether community donated funds were handled according to the process they had put in place. For a period of time while this was happening, they responded by hiding forum threads about the subject. Eventually the treasurer parted ways with the team, and although they claim they didn't kick their treasurer out, their treasurer felt more or less like they…

...and it's not even just the controversies. Manjaro feels like they play fast and loose with everything. Arch doesn't include AUR helpers by default specifically because of the potential for user-generated packages to install malware or do something damaging (with the intent being that if you want to use the AUR you really ought to understand the implications). Manjaro not only includes AUR helpers--it seems to actively encourage its use for packages not officially maintained. Though, in their defense, their wiki page does (finally?) include fair warnings borrowed from Arch[1]. I'm just not sure it shares the same visibility.

Otherwise it feels like a parasitic project masquerading as "Arch but easier." While there is truth to the latter, the oddly curious aspect to me--having been helping newbie Linux users for a couple years now--is that it seems new users generally have more long-term problems with Manjaro than they do with Arch. I don't have any facts to back this up, but speaking from my own anecdotes one would think the "easier" distro wouldn't be subject to this sort of trouble.

Also, they recently lost all of their support forum images earlier this month[2].

[1] https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository

[2] https://linuxreviews.org/Manjaro_Linux_Lost_All_Of_Their_Sup...

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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I share this concern. Their own treasurer raised a concern as to whether community donated funds were handled according to the process they had put in place. For a period of time while this was happening, they responded by hiding forum threads about the subject. Eventually the treasurer parted ways with the team, and although they claim they didn't kick their treasurer out, their treasurer felt more or less like they…

...and it's not even just the controversies. Manjaro feels like they play fast and loose with everything . Arch doesn't include AUR helpers by default specifically because of the potential for user-generated packages to install malware or do something damaging (with the intent being that if you want to use the AUR you really ought to understand the implications). Manjaro not only includes AUR helpers--it seems to act…

Unfortunately, the only other easy distro is Ubuntu, and not having the AUR or the Arch wiki or the quite good Manjaro forums and having to use potentially-dead PPAs for things because Ubuntu packages are out of date is less easy.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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> I pre-ordered the PmOS community edition, and it's getting delivered tomorrow. How did you get notified? I didn't receive any email since my purchase (I only have the receipt). Contacted sales@pine64 and opened up a support ticket, but haven't got any replies from them.

You get an SMS from DHL identifying Syabas Tech as the shipper. (This is a different Syabas from the one that manages tap water in Malaysia.) Anyway I did.

Yeah same here. SMS (and email) from DHL about shipment on the way from “Syabas Technology Hong Kong Limited”.

I also never got an order-confirmation upon ordering, but received one later quite swiftly when I emailed support and asked.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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> In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? Debian is great. I particularly respect Debian as an organization. On my home laptop, I've used Debian, Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc etc. But on my work computer, I've always used Ubuntu (or sometimes MacOS), because: - I prefer Ubuntu LTS to Debian's testing/stable approach. - Lots of other devs use Ubuntu, so instructions are often focused on the dis…

> I prefer Ubuntu LTS to Debian's testing/stable approach. May I ask why?

It's nice that Ubuntu has been very predictable getting releases out on a schedule, while Debian's approach has been "when it's ready", which could sometimes be a very long time between stable releases.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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How/where does one contribute? Is there a guide specifically for this (phone/pinephone development). I couldn't quite figure it out from the mobian repo ):

Icenowy did the initial board bringup, I think: https://github.com/Icenowy I don't know if Samuel accepts donations, but his contact info is here: https://sholland.org/about/ (he's responsible for the huge power saving optimizations that PinePhone got this year, and for the sound codec improvements, that were necessary for making calls work) And I have a page here: https://xnux.eu/contribute.html As for the mobian I…

I meant code contributions, but thanks for the links ;)

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead. Word. Debian is great! In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? It is so interesting how people in tech just fall into the fashion trap.

Canonical contributes very little back to Debian. But they do a lot of marketing.

Why do you say that exactly? When Canonical developer fixed GNOME infamous bugs aren't those contribution getting into Debian?

My impression is that Ubuntu always respected Debian and always encouraged all fixes to happen upsteeam, for example for new packages you can see that Ubuntu is asking people to submit them to Debian (so everyone benefits) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#NEW_pa...

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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...and it's not even just the controversies. Manjaro feels like they play fast and loose with everything . Arch doesn't include AUR helpers by default specifically because of the potential for user-generated packages to install malware or do something damaging (with the intent being that if you want to use the AUR you really ought to understand the implications). Manjaro not only includes AUR helpers--it seems to act…

Unfortunately, the only other easy distro is Ubuntu, and not having the AUR or the Arch wiki or the quite good Manjaro forums and having to use potentially-dead PPAs for things because Ubuntu packages are out of date is less easy.

I do agree that "easy" isn't a solved space in the Linux world (Pop!_OS by System 76 is supposed to be quite good albeit also Ubuntu-based).

I don't think that necessarily absolves problems with the AUR or including AUR helpers out of the box. I do understand that the AUR is incredibly useful for a wide(r?) array of software, but I take issue with Manjaro's approach of foisting it on potentially unsuspecting users who may not know enough to understand that these are user-maintained packages that anyone could upload. I'd say I don't think it's a particularly responsible thing to do, but Manjaro's approach seems to eschew caution, throwing it entirely to the wind.

But, I confess it could be because I'm a long time Arch user protecting the status quo. I understand that the traditional approach (install base-devel, copy the target PKGBUILD, run makepkg, run pacman -U) is an obstacle to a lot of users. That said, I think it's a good thing because the community repo has a ton of commonly used software (maintained by TUs) so there isn't a huge requirement on diving into the AUR now as there was 5 years ago.

My fear is that encouraging people to blindly install PKGBUILDs via yay or pamac will eventually nail someone.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Anyway, with all those distros piling up for PinePhone, I finally decided to release p-boot with display support and GUI multi-boot menu. https://xnux.eu/p-boot/ I'll make some multi-boot SD card demo image next, perhaps with postmarket, arch linux, mobian and ubuntu touch. :)

This is great work. How close are we to a "just works" open source phone targeted for end-users?
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