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Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by opan »

collyw wrote: post #4

I like Manjaro and I like the idea of an open source phone, but I was disappointed by the Ubuntu phone after actually buying one. It's basically that "content is king", with the content being apps. Is this going to be the same? (A lot of the apps on the Ubuntu phone were web based rather than native, which is actually a drawback when you don't have an internet connection. There was no way to do offline maps for examp…

I also got the UBPorts Community Edition. I highly recommend installing postmarketOS or something else. Ubuntu Touch has this strange locked down approach, mounting the FS read-only and forcing a [buggy] gui on you. With pmOS I can install programs I'm familiar with from my computer, use the package manager over ssh and update everything with one command, view processes in htop, edit things in vim, etc. It's a lot of fun now, and I was rather miserable when I used Ubuntu Touch the first couple days I had it. pmOS also supports LUKS full disk encryption at install time, which is pretty cool.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by Foxboron »

Every time the Pine64/Pinephone stuff gets mentioned I go looking for the Arch Linux ARM project mentions, and donation links. Previously they just avoid mentioning this, but most of the Manjaro ARM stuff couldn't happen without the tireless work of the Arch ARM developers.

I've had to repeatedly mention they shouldn't remove attribution from PKGBUILDs they take from Arch ARM.

https://gitlab.manjaro.org/manjaro-arm/packages/core/linux-r...

Also begging for donations to Manjaro ARM, but with no mentions of Arch ARM. This was fixed with the old announcements, but it seems like any donations has been removed from current announcements.

> We will donate $10 per unit sold to the Manjaro development team. To learn more about this scheme please click here.

But where? Currently there is Manjaro the Company and Manjaro the Community. Both has separate funds, which is partially where the treasurer drama stems from. And is there any donations to the dependant projects?

This annoys me as most of the packaging efforts are on the Arch ARM side of things, not Manjaro. You can open any of their distributed ISOs and take a look at the packager information.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by jbj »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #7

Can someone help me understand the relationship between phone hardware and carriers in the US? I recently bought a new, unlocked Samsung phone on Amazon. When I put a Verizon SIM card into it, a Verizon-specific firmware module got added. I don't understand why that would be necessary. Asking because I'm attracted to the idea of a phone I truly control, but not sure what that means for carrier compatibility.

I used 3 different unlocked phones in US, as for US sim cards, I used MetroPCS, T-mobile, and Cricket, non of those added anything, althought their respective websites told me about an app they strongly reccomended. Only trace was the Sim card toolkit menu which was diaplayed for whatever inserted sim card, but I never used any of those.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by Shared404 »

crazypython wrote: post #16

Do these support Android apps? How would I develop a native app for one of these?

> Do these support Android apps?

They do not, at least not yet. They may support anbox at some point, but that's not a given.

> How would I develop a native app for one of these?

The same as you would for any Linux distro. I would check out Plasma Mobile, as they have toolkit's and a workflow already in place is my understanding.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by glenstein »

candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

I share this concern. Their own treasurer raised a concern as to whether community donated funds were handled according to the process they had put in place. For a period of time while this was happening, they responded by hiding forum threads about the subject. Eventually the treasurer parted ways with the team, and although they claim they didn't kick their treasurer out, their treasurer felt more or less like they had no choice but to leave, feeling effectively kicked out.

Their apparent respect for their own stated internal practices was basically non-existent and their way of addressing concern raised does not appear to have been great, and their attempt to shut down discussion without explaining anything was bad, and when they did make a statement it did not feel entirely forthright or comprehensive, and it was different in many ways from what the treasurer had said, making it hard to figure out what really happened.

It doesn't appear that any money was used in an improper way (all valid project-related costs, no tickets to Disneyland), only that it was not reviewed + processed consistently with their own internal policies. The management wants to emphasize the 'no improper use' part, which is fair enough so far as it goes. But it does not make them appear trustworthy should there be a real question in the future where we need to rely on their version of events to get to the bottom of something.

Related discussion on lemmy: https://dev.lemmy.ml/post/38078

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by MarcellusDrum »

candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

Came here to say this. I respect both communities like KDE and companies like RedHat (before it was acquired). But when call yourself a community but act more like a company (and a toxic one at that) is where you lose all my respect.
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