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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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>"July 2009 Ürümqi riots" Those were just peaceful protests.

You're referring to the peaceful protests that deteriorated into days of violence which killed 197+ people and injured thousands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_rio...

I think OP was not contesting those acts on China were riots, but rather ironically implying that the acts by BLM/Antifa are riots - despite certain media mostly referring to them as 'peaceful protests'.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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There's a wide swath of the US that feels the same way in regards to foreign policy. From reading your comment, I'm not sure if that is clear to outsiders? https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/new-poll-shows-pub... https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/248354/measu... https://reason.com/2014/04/30/poll-shows-strong-non-interven...

> I'm not sure if that is clear to outsiders Depends a bit on the outsider, I think. Also to which extend they might be a product of their own country's propaganda. To me it certainly is clear, even from people I personally know. However, I do think that it might be only of limited relevance. That is, if these reasonable people have virtually no chance to bring about any substantial change in whatever system or colle…

>That is, if these reasonable people have virtually no chance to bring about any substantial change in whatever system or collective actually governs/controls the USA, then how much does it really matter?

There's still room for optimism if you choose. The current administration is campaigning for re-election on a record of no new wars.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rand-paul-2020-rnc-spee....

No one is beyond criticism and this rule goes doubly for politicians. I'll also add the disclaimer that I view politicians as a class of professional liars. However, the media climate in regards to the current administration should be viewed through the lens of this anti-war stance. The pro-war establishment has demonstrated its media influence as you mentioned above.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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I am not talking about boycotting. I have relatives in IL. There are good people in IL who don‘t like the way the PL issue is dealth with. I was just talking about the silence when it comes to the Palestinians and their suffering on this platform. I am against every form of discrimination: Uighurs, Jews, people of color, women. There‘s too much suffering in the world. Didn‘t want to hijack this thread either.

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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...Is your username using “gay” as an insult? I get it is “playful”, but a playful insult is still an insult. If so, I kindly encourage you to consider a new username. It is sad to see people slurred just based on who they are.

Well thanks for phrasing that so nicely. I know it's offensive to some people but it's also exactly my kind of stupid humor. It's been a bit of a moral conundrum for me, I don't want to be an asshole to people who haven't done anything, but I also don't want to self censor. Currently though, for any new accounts that I create, I prefer another username anyway, but for this one, inertia is winning.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, I really appreciate it! Cheers.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Boycotting "Made in China" labelled products is not effective enough. How would you motivate large population groups to engage globally? Politicians and democratic countries should force China to stop torturing their own citizens based on religious or ethnic affiliation.

Even if you do so, they will just put different label. Hello, "Made in Vietnam"!

Luckily, customs officers do not believe product labels, they have more reliable sources of information like port of departure. I guess, this documentation also could be faked, just hope it's not that easy. Vietnam is a competitor and adversary of China, they would try preventing "hijacking" of their products

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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The CCP can try painting whatever picture they like. It's obvious from many angles that they're building concentration camps where people are forced to prison labor, organ harvesting and brainwashing. And then there are regular prisons. The whataboutism you're trying to push into the discussion isn't leading anywhere. I'm sure you'll find plenty of opportunities to discuss the US prison system, but this isn't one. He…

I don't see this article mentioned anything on organ harvesting. Please don't spread rumors. Even if the target is CCP doesn't give you the righteousness to assume without evidence. And "everybody knows that" is not a qualified evidence.

There's plenty of information about organ harvesting in China from reliable sources. Your attempts to cover them look a bit awkward.

https://youtu.be/x2N__G6qJt8

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Can't really collectively punish a community for crimes of few, that's no justice.

I agree wholeheartedly. Let’s discuss this along with lifting collective sanctions imposed on Cuba, Iran, Syria, and Venezuela. That is a form of collective punishments that starves civilians. I’m very cynical about the outrage re: those “re-education” sites. Not because they’re benign but because nobody bats an eye when America commits similarly heinous acts. It seems like a convenient deflection tactic.

Nope. Ban on hi-tech products and weapons do not affect starving civilians in any way, this is solely responsibility of ruling dictators. Exactly like it happened in Russia, in response of banning hi-tech from exporting to Russia, our authorities imposed ban on importing food and medications.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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BuzzFeed News identified 268 newly built compounds by cross-referencing blanked-out areas on Baidu Maps with images from external satellite data providers Pretty cool. Trying to hide the facilities made them easier to find.

Very interesting. I've always wanted to tinker with satellite data for various research projects. Though one issue I generally have is that I've always found that the applications I imagine require data with more frequency than the free services like Google Maps provide. Does anyone know of any good satellite data providers with more frequent (somewhere between bi-weekly and daily) data? I understand much of this is…

iirc the sentinel-2 data is every 5 days at a 10m resolution

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Can you cite that? My understanding is that the concentration camps weren't known to exist until the Allies stumbled onto them whilst advancing across Europe. In many camps the Germans had attempted to destroy them just hours before allied troops arrived, in an attempt to conceal what had been happening, but were interrupted by the high speed of the advance after D-Day. If everyone knew they wouldn't have put these c…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holoc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Vrba So definitely were known before liberation. As for the date, could be that I was wrong and it was 1943, and not 1941 (However, as soon as 1941-2 some 1.5 million Russian jews were shot to death, was there zero evidence of that?) It's also possible some governments had evidence but refused to believe such monstros…

Hmm, the article about Vrba says he escaped in April 1944 but it took months for his report to be published. Meanwhile the Soviets encountered their first concentration camp around July 1944 time as well. So it sounds like his report came out more or less concurrently with the Soviets discovering Madjanek.

The page does say that there were previous reports, but one was only in Polish. The other apparently did end up with the British and American governments, but that's a long way from most governments knowing. And even when the allies started discovering camps it was censored for a while, supposedly to avoid upsetting people with missing relatives. So I guess the information hardly travelled far, and not outside US/UK war offices.

The Independent article seems to be conflating different things. Jews started fleeing the Nazis even before they fully assumed power. The comments about the Empire being full are presumably related to that. Wanting to indict Hitler for war crimes hardly required knowledge of concentration camps, so I'm not sure it provides so much evidence.

I guess there's surprise, and then there's formally knowing. I referenced a German woman who said she "knew" but what she meant was she wasn't surprised when she learned. I guess that was how a lot of people reacted.

Interesting links though, thanks. I learned some new things about WW2 today.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Are you rallying? I perfectly understand why people aren’t rallying: it’s happening on the other side of the planet. What are we supposed to do?

Meanwhile, Europe was filled with BLM protests.

Yes because it impacted local people as well. Not as bad as in the US but it’s not like there are no racists here
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