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China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Karl Marx on religion “Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.“ A popular song: Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too The CCP is sim…

Well an atheist scientists perspective that "the big bang came out of nothing" makes as much sense as any religious text to be honest.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #13

I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

It hasn't been widely covered outside of the anti-CCP sources. It seems to be gaining a bit of traction lately. If you are interested, Epoch times, BitterWinter and others have been covering this for a long time.

Establishment media partisans aren't shy about using Nazi comparisons. Over the past year you would have been more likely to hear criticisms of US immigration policies painted in this light.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #13

I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

Are you rallying?

I perfectly understand why people aren’t rallying: it’s happening on the other side of the planet. What are we supposed to do?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Cancel culture never had any attention of pushing forward any reasonable change. It was mostly a tool for people to pretend that they somehow had an lasting positive impact on the world in the most convenient way. Boycotting goods made in China and substituting them with those made elsewhere is not as convenient. So cancel culture people and pretty much everyone else will pretend and argue such a measure will have no…

I mean, for most of us on here, it's either use goods made at least partially in China or switch career - you're never going to get a computer with no Chinese-made components, especially not at a price which I can afford. Good luck doing that without years of planning, and managing to continue to feed yourself.

Fact of the matter is that China is in an extremely powerful position over the world due to its position in the manufacturing chain. The world would fall apart overnight if China stopped manufacturing things - parts of it did already when Covid-19 caused lockdowns. There isn't the manufacturing ability elsewhere to scale up to what China provides.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #14

Karl Marx on religion “Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.“ A popular song: Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too The CCP is sim…

Well an atheist scientists perspective that "the big bang came out of nothing" makes as much sense as any religious text to be honest.

Very true. Big bang was actually first formulated by a Belgian Catholic priest: https://www.amnh.org/learn-teach/curriculum-collections/cosm...

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #13

I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

Well... everyone could stop buying stuff on Amazon when you know it's mostly made in China, but then again everyone wants cheap 'stuff' (and iPhones).

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

There's limited set of countermeasures we can impose on China. I joined "Boycott Made in China" initiative, I promote it in my LinkedIn, and I literally check "Made in" tags in the mall during shopping, and I do not buy any Apple products, until I see them implementing their project on moving production from China to India and Vietnam. However, I understand how terribly it is "not enough". Countless politicians and businessmen without moral compass keep dealing with China. Harward President cancelled human rights conference to please Comrade Xi during their meeting. Greed and cowardice rule the world, and nothing drastically changed since pre-WWII times. What else we, the people, can do to confront the evil, in the world where life of a nation, reputation of the whole country and principles of people who supposed to maintain peace all have a price?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #7

Definitely bad and needs international attention. China’s soft power will ensure that most countries won’t go beyond the usual virtue signaling. Also keep in mind that the USA still has the most imprisoned people in the world by a large margin: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarce... https://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/default/files/resources/...

Does China include its secret camps in its prison numbers?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #10

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

> I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do.

You can talk to your representatives about it. You can start actively boycotting Chinese-made products (not so easy, I know). You can donate to NGOs such as the UHRP (Uyghur Human Rights Project). You can follow them on Twitter.

It's not like Lebron James will solve this either, so don't blame it on him.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #13

I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

Are you rallying? I perfectly understand why people aren’t rallying: it’s happening on the other side of the planet. What are we supposed to do?

Meanwhile, Europe was filled with BLM protests.
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