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China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by derwiki »

hh3k0 wrote: post #118
dharmach wrote: post #35

Everywhere else communism and Islam are friends so why in China they are enemies?

Your statement is wrong in two ways. 1) Communism and Islam can by no means be considered "friends", reason being the antireligious policies that are inherent in Communism. You should read less Breitbart. 2) China can hardly be considered a communist country, it has been turning rapidly more capitalist ever since the official introduction of the 中国特色社会主义 theory in 1987.

Google translates that as: > Socialism with Chinese Characteristics

What does that mean? I had guessed you were referring to special economic zones, but that predates 1987. Thanks in advance.

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Post by jkhdigital »

Unrelated to the article content: is there any way to “escape” from full screen maps embedded in a webpage? I scrolled down to the map of detention facilities and found that I could no longer return to reading the article because every interaction with my screen just manipulated the map.

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Post by sct202 »

joelbluminator wrote: post #55
TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

What's happening there is despicable. But to the best of my knowledge there's no extermination. There aren't hundreds of thousands being shot or gassed. It looks more like a "cultural genocide", the kind we saw exercised against the Tibetans. I understand the emotions over this issue, and I don't think the holocaust is beyond comparison, but in this instance the comparison falls short.

Re-education camps with high death rates are very common in the CCP's brief history, so it seems like they're just rehashing what they've done before but this time on the Uighers.

Prison labor camps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-education_through_labor The worse version of the previos ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by CapricornNoble »

gigatexal wrote: post #72
abc-xyz wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m voting and campaigning for politicians that I might disagree with on 99% of all issues for the sole reason that they’re willing and capable of standing up to China. For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China. I’d also say boycotting Made in China and companies kowtowing to China isn’t as difficult as people say. You might not be able to boycot…

Wow. So China’s so big of an existential threat that you’ll let one of the worst presidents in history have another 4 years to continue screwing the country? Trump’s going to win again smh.

>>>So China’s so big of an existential threat that you’ll let one of the worst presidents in history have another 4 years to continue screwing the country?

How screwed do you think the entire country will be if the Chinese continue their naval expansion unchecked[1][2], defeat us in a conflict, and de-throne the USD as the primary unit of exchange for energy resources?[3] What do you think happens to the US economy if we can't print the world's reserve currency like Monopoly money anymore?[4] Those are all far bigger, long-term strategic problems than the executive overreach we might experience with a President who's a rude narcissistic strongman....and almost no-one else who has campaigned for President or VP has even paid The CCP Problem lip-service (Biden started barking as if he was anti-China only in mimicry of Trump, arguably).

[1]https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/chinas-blue-water-...

[2]https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/august/decip...

[3]https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-Russia-and-EU-edge-awa...

[4]https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petro...

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Post by blindspot557 »

TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

How is that comparable to Jews? jews were tortured killed and their personal properties were robbed. Do you see anyone in this article got the same result? Where does you sense of self righteous coming from?

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Post by pmachinery »

TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Yes, if there's one thing the Uighur people desperately need right now is people outside China cynically exploiting their suffering for petty axe grinding about young people ("current generation") and "cancel culture".

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Post by aww_dang »

elmo2you wrote: post #148
sol_invictus wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your entire comment history is pro-China comments. Are you just sitting by and waiting for a China-related article to pop up all day?

That could be true. But please, do know that there are many individuals outside the USA, who regularly roll their eyes and feel triggered when yet another article accuses China or Russia of yet another "anything". Don't get me wrong, some of the accusations sure are very valid ones. But the political bias and (more often than not) cultural blindness/hypocrisy is usually rather obvious. At least for many, like me, fro…

There's a wide swath of the US that feels the same way in regards to foreign policy. From reading your comment, I'm not sure if that is clear to outsiders?

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/new-poll-shows-pub...

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/248354/measu...

https://reason.com/2014/04/30/poll-shows-strong-non-interven...

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #203
take_a_breath wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

==He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some nazi collaborators did.== All of this could be said about our current President and his family. He has far more power than LeBron James, maybe we should hold him accountable?

Actually, in a strange way LeBron James has way more power than Trump in regards to cultural pressure that can result in change. Trump has been using this issue as an excuse to ramp up pressure in the south china sea among other things, but people don’t believe him to actually care.

Hes been quoted, by one of his own hires, as telling the Chinese that they're "doing exactly the right thing" so people are right to think he doesnt care.

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Post by maxwell »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #23
krm01 wrote: post #13

I can't believe this isn't something people are rallying for. Nor can I believe the mainstream media is hardly talking about it. The lessons from WWII aren't stories that we should memorise as fun trivia facts.

Are you rallying? I perfectly understand why people aren’t rallying: it’s happening on the other side of the planet. What are we supposed to do?

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Post by jkhdigital »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #208
Darmody wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a huge difference. China needs the west to keep buying their stuff. China had a huge economic development thanks to the money from the west. They don't even have to care about their internal economy as long as billions and billions flow in from the west. Now, if we change that by let's say moving factories back home or to Africa, they'll be in trouble. If you're a Chinese citizen, first of all you don't have…

> China needs the west to keep buying their stuff. China had a huge economic development thanks to the money from the west. They don't even have to care about their internal economy as long as billions and billions flow in from the west. This seems... economically confused. Billions flowing in from the West reflect the fact that China's internal economy is strong. If it fell apart, no money would flow in.

It means that the productivity of the Chinese economy, and thus the ability of the CCP to siphon off some of that for things like building mass detention facilities, is dependent upon foreign demand. It is doubtful that China has enough domestic consumption demand to keep everyone gainfully employed if foreign demand dried up. But it’s hard to say what would actually happen.
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