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Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Re: Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account

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Post by nodamage »

alexashka wrote: post #642
nodamage wrote: post #630

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The remedy in this scenario is to simply not buy Amazon fridges, not have the government step in and force Amazon to change its fridges. Legal intervention should not occur unless Amazon was the only fridge seller in the world.

You've described a monopoly. Please google duopoly now. Also feel free to familiarize yourself with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... By your logic, companies should be able to price fix and collude in any way they see fit because it's more than one company. Facepalm .

Nothing I said has anything to do with price fixing and collusion, so I am not sure why you are bringing it up.

> Facepalm.

This kind of snark is really unnecessary.

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Post by kalleboo »

newbie578 wrote: post #606
mattmanser wrote: post #504

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I can't see how Epic wins this. If Stripe can claim Wells Fargo doesn't want to process porn payments, and that's legal, how can an American court rule for Epic? Epic are obviously going to lose, and lose hard, or set a precedent that's going to screw every payment provider in America and open a flood gate for fraudulent payments. You can't force someone to sell something they don't want to, especially because Apple…

How many times do we have to repeat ourselves regarding Apple and monopoly here on HN. For the love of god, don't go spouting stuff and saying there is no way Epic can win when your whole premises is simply wrong. First, learn what a monopoly is. It is when a company has over 50% marketshare in a certain market/industry (although sometimed an even lesser market share is required to call for anti-trust). Second, learn…

> Hint: it is around 51%

And if you look at App Store revenue share, which is probably more relevant in this case (developers need to target the platform where the revenue is), it's closer to 70%

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Post by dang »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #74
gameswithgo wrote: post #51

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tim sweeny is 51%

Tim Sweeny is one guy. China has somewhere in the vicinity of ~250 nuclear warheads. Your move.

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? You've been doing it a lot lately. That's not what we want here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by heavyset_go »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #192
gameswithgo wrote: post #38

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people familiar with Tim Sweeny’s life and ideology know that it is an actual important issues to him that platforms be open. your cynical take is often very true but there are sometimes real human ideals behind things.

Tim Sweeney may be a wonderful man who loves open platforms, apple pie, and kittens, but: - Android is clearly more open than iOS, but Epic is also suing Google. So is this really about sideloading? From that suit, it sure doesn't sound like it. - When you do sideload Fortnite on your Android device, from what I understand, you can't actually sideload Fortnite directly. Instead you have sideload... the Epic Games Sto…

> - Android is clearly more open than iOS, but Epic is also suing Google. So is this really about sideloading? From that suit, it sure doesn't sound like it.

Google is equally as responsible for anticompetitive behavior with their exclusive agreements with OEMs, and the fact that they've limited Android in such a way that third party app stores will never have feature parity with the Play Store.

If you distribute an app outside of the Play Store, there is no way to automatically upgrade it, upgrade or install it in the background or include in a batch of updates.

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Post by mdonahoe »

mlcrypto wrote: post #670
Aeolun wrote: post #561

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Yeah, I bought a $1000 device, but somehow Apple gets to decide what I run on it? I just cannot see how that is a desireable situation.

You what you were getting into when buying an Apple product lol

Yeah but I don’t like it

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Post by nuker »

chrisco255 wrote: post #68
jacquesm wrote: post #46

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> just a bunch of legal departments having a fight. At the expense of the users, in both the figurative and the literal sense of the word.

Ultimately if Apple bends if will be good for the users in the long run. That's what matters. And if Apple doesn't bend, we need antitrust action against these monopolies anyways.

> if Apple bends if will be good for the users in the long run.

Im a user, and it will be very bad for my security and privacy of my data.

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Post by heavyset_go »

systemvoltage wrote: post #404
cnst wrote: post #89

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I'm actually happy Apple didn't make a small concession. I can't quite have the resources to sue Apple by myself as a small user being prevented from using the device I have paid for the way I see fit. I'm very glad that EPIC is doing it on my behalf. I'm also kind of glad that Apple didn't simply cut a backroom deal with EPIC, but is instead going the full-monty on this.

I share a different view on this. I want Apple to have as much control over as they can to keep my device safe. Obviously, this is an unpopular opinion on HN - part of me wants it super hackable and open source (my hacker self), but my average joe self wants is as tied down, closed doors as possible to avoid sniffing off my personal data, usage patterns, cookies, and a whole bunch of "soft metrics" about my device to…

No one is forcing you to unlock your phone or install a third party app store. You can have the same relationship with Apple that you do now even if other people can unlock their devices and run their own software.

Also, iOS exploits are cheaper than Android exploits, because iOS exploits are so abundant in comparison to Android exploits.

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Post by chmaynard »

chmaynard wrote: post #81

This is a blunder. Epic will do just fine without Apple, but Apple is alienating people like me who use their products and are predisposed to support them. Our eyes are opening to their true nature. Full disclosure: I worked for Apple for almost 20 years.

Apple to Epic and Facebook: Our 30% cut is the cost of doing business on our turf. If you refuse to pay it or you draw attention to it, Bruno will pay you a visit and break your kneecaps.

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Post by brentis »

threeseed wrote: post #329
brentis wrote: post #320

As an app developer, I'm moving to straight web apps. All the hoops, the review system,and ranking prejudice makes it an easy decision even outside of the 30% rake.

Good luck with that. Users hate mobile web apps. App Store has been around over a decade and the number of popular mobile web apps (that didn't also release an app) is basically zero.

Profits have been stagnant on iOS and Android for some time. Too much churn and competition. For $10.99 a month the webapp is growing 10% a month with much less CPA and less churn and no 30% cut.

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Post by heavyset_go »

colatkinson wrote: post #362
Gwypaas wrote: post #235

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The difference would be that the same iPhone has access to Taylor Swift through Spotify, Apple Music, Play Music (does that even exist anymore?) and so on. Put the app store on the same level of competition and level the playing field of Spotify vs Apple Music in regards to the 30% subscription fee.

Play Music recently got merged into Youtube Music (formerly Youtube Red). They kept all the features of Play, like uploading your own library, so honestly the least bad Google product death I've seen so far.

They killed the Google Music API, and the YouTube successor has no equivalent API.
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