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China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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It’s almost like more than one country can do horrible things. Who’d have thought? It doesn’t make the situation in China any better to point out that other countries have also done bad things.

Yes but America did that to foreign people during war. Its something else when a government does this to its own people.

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Your entire comment history is pro-China comments. Are you just sitting by and waiting for a China-related article to pop up all day?

or, OP simply does not want their true identity to be labeled as "pro-China" and created this specific account given how toxic, biased and hostile HN comment section has become wrt "pro-China" sentiment, by people like yourself. Counter the argument for what it is if you wish but going after OP's account history is not called for.

There is nothing 'toxic' about calling out astroturfing where it is blatant, especially since there is no way to flag individual accounts on this platform.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

I would be more concerned about challenges like these in my local area, i.e. the west (millions refugees living in tents as a result of western wars, for profit prisons, children refugees in border camps, etc). if we can't solve it in our own countries, what chance is there to solve it in china through twitter.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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I do boycott Chinese products. I can't boycott everything because sometimes there are no alternatives but I do what I can. Lebron can't solve this but what he can do is at least talk about it. One word and millions of people would know about it. Same thing happens with the NBA. They're very vocal about BLM but when it comes to HK...you can't even buy a t-shirt with "Free Honk Kong" on it.

NBA players choose BLM for their protests and you choose China, I don’t see the problem. Blaming them for international policy seems a little naive.

I don't choose China. I'll speak up against anything that I think is wrong. China treatment to the Uighurs is one of them.

You won't see me saying "black lives don't matter" only to earn some money.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Well, US greed gave China this power. Cancel culture have nothing to do with this. There were a lot of left leaning voices in the ninetees warning against the trajectory of globalism. The sell out of US manufacturing was done by people with money, not the people who dislike racism (and show it in a weird and harmful way).

> US greed gave China this power Maybe from the U.S. perspective, but at this point there are heaps of countries around the world who at least claim to be dependent on China. This is a matter of global moral cowardice; at least today, the U.S. is more ready to say no to it.

Or just another case of made-up US exceptionalism ("oh, how braver we are than those others for saying no to China now"), after the US corporations/market had profited from cheap Chinese manufacturing and sweat shop labor for years, and takes the high moral ground only now that "coincidentally" has an economic problem and wants to stop all the outsourcing.

Meanwhile, all this talk of "global moral cowardice" was hardly there for hundreds of instances of the US doing all kinds of shit to third countries throughout the 20th and 21st century with bi-partisan agreement and the public hardly caring...

China is shitted upon for those detention camps (and rightly so). Meanwhile, over a million muslim deaths have been directly and indirectly (e.g. pharmaceutical and food shortages) caused by the Iraq embargo/invasion alone [1] (one of several), and people talk about China as if their shit doesn't smell...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Estimat...

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #170

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NBA players choose BLM for their protests and you choose China, I don’t see the problem. Blaming them for international policy seems a little naive.

It sounds like you may not be aware that the NBA has been actively and specifically blocking criticism of China. It sounds like currently they've reversed that policy on at least what custom jerseys they'll print, but only after a lot of pressure. The NBA is not neutrally "permitting" their players to protest things if they happen to want to, they have taken an extremely active role in what political actions are and…

I am well aware of the NBA's actions. The specific question was about an NBA player, which would be the NBA Players Association, not the league itself. They work for the league, in the same way many of the companies HN Readers work for do business in China.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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It’s disgusting that nothing will be done because everyone is addicted to cheap goods from China. If we cannot break free from current economic arrangements even after the pandemic, we will never be able to do so.

Any trade agreement should have basic human rights mentioned in the first paragraph. This is something we can actually fight for.

> Any trade agreement should have basic human rights mentioned in the first paragraph.

And which regional or global power could sign those, if that had any binding power?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Your entire comment history is pro-China comments. Are you just sitting by and waiting for a China-related article to pop up all day?

That could be true. But please, do know that there are many individuals outside the USA, who regularly roll their eyes and feel triggered when yet another article accuses China or Russia of yet another "anything". Don't get me wrong, some of the accusations sure are very valid ones. But the political bias and (more often than not) cultural blindness/hypocrisy is usually rather obvious. At least for many, like me, fro…

I agree with you to the most part.

> which should not be a forum for international politics (outside tech topic) in the first place

Which is why I'm highlighting the account for pushing a 100% political agenda.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

As evident from my other comments I don't like CCP one bit. But while we criticize oppression, Muslim extremism which triggered this oopression shouldn't be pushed aside either. Tibet is equally oppressed under CCP's boots for many decades now but nobody seems to be bothered. I don't like this selective outrage of west.

My most cynical viewpoint is that it’s virtue signaling by Americans. We’re ashamed of our atrocities and it’s easy to point to this atrocity.

Maybe it’s inadvertently selective?

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