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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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My heart bleeds hearing about Uighurs suffering. And I welcome these kinds of posts. At the same time I am wondering why news about Palestinians are flagged and filtered away on HN. I read Haaretz on a daily basis, and what I read about this corner of the world makes me lose my faith in humanity.

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

> I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. You can talk to your representatives about it. You can start actively boycotting Chinese-made products (not so easy, I know). You can donate to NGOs such as the UHRP (Uyghur Human Rights Project). You can follow them on Twitter. It's not like Lebron James will solve this either, so don't blame it on him.

I’m voting and campaigning for politicians that I might disagree with on 99% of all issues for the sole reason that they’re willing and capable of standing up to China.

For reference, my views are aligned with Sanders but I’d vote for Trump solely based on his actions towards China.

I’d also say boycotting Made in China and companies kowtowing to China isn’t as difficult as people say. You might not be able to boycott it 100%, but it’s not that hard to find alternatives to 90+% of the products.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

#53
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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Well, US greed gave China this power. Cancel culture have nothing to do with this. There were a lot of left leaning voices in the ninetees warning against the trajectory of globalism. The sell out of US manufacturing was done by people with money, not the people who dislike racism (and show it in a weird and harmful way).

> US greed gave China this power

Maybe from the U.S. perspective, but at this point there are heaps of countries around the world who at least claim to be dependent on China.

This is a matter of global moral cowardice; at least today, the U.S. is more ready to say no to it.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #36

BuzzFeed News identified 268 newly built compounds by cross-referencing blanked-out areas on Baidu Maps with images from external satellite data providers Pretty cool. Trying to hide the facilities made them easier to find.

CCP always does such bad propaganda thing. Ironically Everything it tried to hide was always exposed fairly quickly, things it doesn’t hide turns out to be less known

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

What's happening there is despicable. But to the best of my knowledge there's no extermination. There aren't hundreds of thousands being shot or gassed. It looks more like a "cultural genocide", the kind we saw exercised against the Tibetans. I understand the emotions over this issue, and I don't think the holocaust is beyond comparison, but in this instance the comparison falls short.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hasn't been widely covered outside of the anti-CCP sources. It seems to be gaining a bit of traction lately. If you are interested, Epoch times, BitterWinter and others have been covering this for a long time. Establishment media partisans aren't shy about using Nazi comparisons. Over the past year you would have been more likely to hear criticisms of US immigration policies painted in this light.

> Epoch times Friendly reminder that The Epoch Times is not a reliable news source, it promotes far-right politics in Germany, usually publishes conspiracy theories including QAnon, and was deprecated as a source by Wikipedia in 2019 [1], which means all edits containing links to The Epoch Times will be automatically reverted. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deprecated_sources#C...

Just because something publishes conspiracy theories, doesn't mean it's always wrong. The US spying on its citizens was considered a conspiracy theory until Edward Snowden. A paedophile ring among the global elite was considered a conspiracy theory until Jeffrey Epstein. Most people in China would consider concentration camps in Xinjiang to be a conspiracy theory.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #41

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Well, US greed gave China this power. Cancel culture have nothing to do with this. There were a lot of left leaning voices in the ninetees warning against the trajectory of globalism. The sell out of US manufacturing was done by people with money, not the people who dislike racism (and show it in a weird and harmful way).

No one is blaming this on cancel culture, that'd be obvious nonsense, they're just saying cancel culture is applied selectively.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Karl Marx on religion “Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.“ A popular song: Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too The CCP is sim…

Religion is mainly used as opium for the masses China puting people in concentration camps is evil, but has nothing to do with religion. Also the CCP days as ideological communism are long gone. And pretty sure Marx wouldn't condone any of the stuff you are implying.

See, easy, kept my mind open, and my mind didn't fall out.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #14

Karl Marx on religion “Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.“ A popular song: Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too The CCP is sim…

Well an atheist scientists perspective that "the big bang came out of nothing" makes as much sense as any religious text to be honest.

That isn’t related to the point I am trying to make, and it isn’t an appropriate discussion on HN as it will only burn in flames.

Let me try again:

Idea - Religion is suffering. In a better world religion is unnecessary.

CCP - We are creating a better world by ridding it of religion.

Reality - Organized religion is a major threat to governments and their narrative.

The situation is that the CCP has high sounding ideals from Marx and other communist works. Reality is that religion is a threat to their power. That a narrative that rounding up these troubled people and re-educating them is necessary for the better world to happen.

This outrage is good, but I am simply pointing out that what is happening in China shouldn’t be surprising. The ideas of Karl Marx are only dangerous because people accept ideas without critical thought, and others use his ideas to further their own real agenda under such cover. It’s all straight out of ‘Animal Farm’.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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post #49

Just buy less. Western consumerism gave China it's power. Have a leader who the world believe he acts in good faith regarding ideals, and not busy subverting ideals for game and profit. But no, you'll choose power and war.

Just der Wille zur Macht at work.

After reading and accepting that thesis, the world has become a much more obvious place for me personally.

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