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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by jsiepkes »

Darmody wrote: post #39
mrpopo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. You can talk to your representatives about it. You can start actively boycotting Chinese-made products (not so easy, I know). You can donate to NGOs such as the UHRP (Uyghur Human Rights Project). You can follow them on Twitter. It's not like Lebron James will solve this either, so don't blame it on him.

I do boycott Chinese products. I can't boycott everything because sometimes there are no alternatives but I do what I can. Lebron can't solve this but what he can do is at least talk about it. One word and millions of people would know about it. Same thing happens with the NBA. They're very vocal about BLM but when it comes to HK...you can't even buy a t-shirt with "Free Honk Kong" on it.

A positive view would be that you could say that even the NBA needs to "pick it's battles" and can't do all of BLM, HK, Uyghurs, etc.

A more grim view would be that in the end companies will do what's best for them. Currently It's in the NBA's best interest to support BLM since it affects their base. HK, Uyghurs, etc. doesn't really affect them and fighting a battle for it doesn't help them in anyway.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by take_a_breath »

harpiaharpyja wrote: post #90
gigatexal wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. So China’s so big of an existential threat that you’ll let one of the worst presidents in history have another 4 years to continue screwing the country? Trump’s going to win again smh.

Having to fall back into unsubstantiated hyperbole like "worst president in history" and "screwing the country" probably doesn't help to win anyone over.

Most job losses ever? Or highest deficits ever? Or highest unemployment rate ever?

Does that win anyone over?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by hhjinks »

smhost wrote: post #5
TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Americans killed a million muslims and destroyed their homeland. China imprisoned a million muslims and put them in factories. Stop being so dramatic.

China's actions are targeted genocide. They're a completely different level of evil.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by econcon »

Darmody wrote: post #10
TheUndead96 wrote: post #2

To those that believe that they would not have turned a blind eye during WWII to the systematic extermination of Jews, the current generation has been given a similar challenge. Where is your cancel-culture now? How will our children think of us?

Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

Most people like Lebron James aren't making choice between getting new "millions" vs "not getting them"

They are making choice between getting new "millions" vs "losing all previous contracts" and going back to zero or negative.

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Post by wayneftw »

microcolonel wrote: post #53
mola wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, US greed gave China this power. Cancel culture have nothing to do with this. There were a lot of left leaning voices in the ninetees warning against the trajectory of globalism. The sell out of US manufacturing was done by people with money, not the people who dislike racism (and show it in a weird and harmful way).

> US greed gave China this power Maybe from the U.S. perspective, but at this point there are heaps of countries around the world who at least claim to be dependent on China. This is a matter of global moral cowardice; at least today, the U.S. is more ready to say no to it.

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Post by take_a_breath »

logicchains wrote: post #82
gigatexal wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. So China’s so big of an existential threat that you’ll let one of the worst presidents in history have another 4 years to continue screwing the country? Trump’s going to win again smh.

Because whatever Trump apparently did is way worse than China apparently sticking a million Muslims in concentration camps?

What has Trump done to stop the concentration camps aside from praise their leader and sell products made there?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by aww_dang »

rfoo wrote: post #110
aww_dang wrote: post #73

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Thanks for your concern. I checked the source on the Wikipedia article. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-qanon-impending... I didn't find any actual support for QANON in the article linked. After skimming it, it was simply a series of quotes from interviews with Q supporters. https://outline.com/DYKJKK Wikipedia has become politically charged. If you know of any other sources covering breaking news about…

In the article you linked, you can find mentions of QAnon near the end: > One such show is "Edge of Wonder," a verified YouTube channel that releases new NTD-produced videos twice every week and now has more than 33 million views. In addition to claims that alien abductions are real and the drug epidemic was engineered by the “deep state,” the channel pushes the QAnon conspiracy theory, which falsely posits that the…

This is a technique I often see from the fact-checking sources. A claim such as Spygate will be conflated with something more ridiculous like Q. The ridiculous is used to ridicule the first claim.

In fairness, Spygate is currently being investigated by the DOJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/us/politics/kevin-clinesm...

Attributing Spygate to Q is a convenient way to discredit it. Regardless, coverage of Spygate is not equivalent to propagating Q theories.

The entire discussion digresses from the topic at hand.

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Post by nedsma »

thecleaner wrote: post #119
nedsma wrote: post #106

Boycotting "Made in China" labelled products is not effective enough. How would you motivate large population groups to engage globally? Politicians and democratic countries should force China to stop torturing their own citizens based on religious or ethnic affiliation.

Force it how ? Countries cannot go at an all trade war. Us consumers need to reshape thw market. And most of us happend to be very pro human rights but we are just convinced into believing that nothing we as individuals do matter.

By sanctioning responsible government officials and businesses related to the concentration camps. Currently, the US secretary of state is lobbying in Europe against Huawei and their 5G networks. The same thing should happen whenever there are massive human rights violations.

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Post by MichaelApproved »

amelius wrote: post #102
bitxbit wrote: post #38

It’s disgusting that nothing will be done because everyone is addicted to cheap goods from China. If we cannot break free from current economic arrangements even after the pandemic, we will never be able to do so.

Any trade agreement should have basic human rights mentioned in the first paragraph. This is something we can actually fight for.

Even if it’s in there, it won’t be enforced.

Manufacturing is entrenched in China. Before you can threaten China, you need to have a backup plan. Otherwise, it’ll call your bluff, like it’s doing already.

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