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Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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I hope they do – Google is far, far, far too dominant in this space, and small-ish incumbents don't really stand a chance. If they keep up their privacy-friendly stance, this could really become something neat. I'd like for at least a little bit of competition in the gatekeeper-for-human-knowledge space.

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Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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What sort of tasks were you using GA for? I use mine to turn a smart plug on or off, and set a timer when cooking. Nothing else I've ever wanted to do via my Pixel 2 is reliable enough to waste time trying. Sending a WhatsApp while driving is the one thing I keep wanting to do, but it's hopeless.

[Disclaimer: I work on Google Assistant. I just started though; I'm much more of a user than an engineer at this point.] I use it a lot for media stuff. "Play by ", "Watch on Netflix", etc. My wife is very fond of the combined alarm + YouTube functionality: "Wake me up at 7:00 AM with deep meditation music". My toddler has learned to say "Hey Google watch videos of dump trucks". I use it a bunch for basic productivit…

I have a lot of Google Nest Minis and Hubs throughout the house and love the experience. There isn't much it can't do and I'm constantly impressed by how well the GA can match intent to action.

Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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Siri often fails even switching lights on and off, it can be very idiosyncratic in how it does and interprets stuff

I asked Siri to turn on my lights today. I was told that I did not have any lights set up. Then I rephrased my request to turn on the lights. "Coming right up". Of course, there's also the regular "I'm sorry, but some of your devices did not respond" response from my Watch, forcing me to issue the same command to my iPhone for it to work.

I also get this one with HomeKit all the time!

The underlying implementation must have basically no error case handling, because half the time I open the controls I'll get "device not responding".

Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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I hope they do – Google is far, far, far too dominant in this space, and small-ish incumbents don't really stand a chance. If they keep up their privacy-friendly stance, this could really become something neat. I'd like for at least a little bit of competition in the gatekeeper-for-human-knowledge space.

I honestly don't like my search results mingled with the advertising industry: there is bias in all results, you can't trust in information if it is not impartial. People used to create content to advance knowledge, but the amount of crap nowadays motivated my money (even if it is good quality) concerns me about the education of the human civilization as a whole. "The love of money (greed) is the root of all evil": Google, Amazon, Facebook all are already deep down this hole. Apple might be the only company that still has some decency left.

Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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~1/5 of Apple's Services revenue comes from having google be the default search ($9-10B per year), so I wonder if this new search will coincide with them ramping up their own search ads business [ https://9to5mac.com/2019/11/15/apple-ad-revenue/ ]

Could be that contract is up for renewal? Google seemed like it was going to stop paying Mozilla this year, then changed their mind. Threat of building a search engine competitor could just be part of contract negotiation (a BATNA).

Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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But Apple's model is selling premium products and a search is a massive expense for apparently zero benefit to them (they wouldn't launch ads would they?). Plus their web results will probably be strictly censored and say goodbye to open web. It would be a nice dream though, google having some serious competition.

Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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Google Maps is slightly superior to Apple Maps but the gap continues to narrow and it's possible that Apple will pull ahead. The competition between the two means that it's important for new features to be added and incorrect data to be fixed. On the other hand, Apple's search in the App Store app is so bad that I use DDG or Google to search for apps.

> Google Maps is slightly superior to Apple Maps but the gap continues to narrow and it's possible that Apple will pull ahead. How many places does Apple Maps have their version of Street View for?

Not sure, but at least for me street view is the least useful part of a map application. Battery usage is much better in Apple Maps, the turn by turn directions are on average better now (Google maps used to lead by a longshot maybe a year or so ago), and it's less invasive to my privacy.

Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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What sort of tasks were you using GA for? I use mine to turn a smart plug on or off, and set a timer when cooking. Nothing else I've ever wanted to do via my Pixel 2 is reliable enough to waste time trying. Sending a WhatsApp while driving is the one thing I keep wanting to do, but it's hopeless.

Basic things that I feel like should be trivial for Siri to handle. The biggest issue by far is how bad the voice dictation is for sending messages. It almost never gets it right. I'm not opposed to an Apple search engine if it works. Would happily use it. But the way Siri has stagnated doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence for me.

> But the way Siri has stagnated

Well, maybe most people just don't find it that useful, as an idea, rather than as an implementation? I don't personally find myself wanting to talk to my phone, and I certainly don't want smart speakers listening to everything I say and giving it to intelligence agencies or whatever.

Re: Apple showing signs it may soon launch a search engine

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No, thanks. Apple is notoriously horrible when it comes to localization: Apple Maps (localization, regional maps, regional traffic data, turn by turn), iOS supported languages, Siri supported languages, their new Apple Translate that only has 7-8 languages, Spotlight suggestions, etc. They're also very slow to expand their services, I think Apple News still only supports 4 countries. Just buy DuckDuckGo

ddg is 99% bing.
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