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Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by bambax »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #100
bambax wrote: post #69

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By "family" I meant Cousteau's family during the war, not all his descendants of course. Sorry if that was unclear. But he was a Nazi sympathizer and was protected by the Germans during the war. Then he falsely claimed to have been a member of the Resistance. This is all documented in his biography.

Once more, I have to ask you, if you do not mean to implicate Cousteau's entire family, all the way up to his great-great grandchildren, for Cousteau's antisemitism, then why are you bringing his antisemitism up in a discussion about his grandson? Why is what you are doing here any different than reminding everyone of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis everytime someone talks about modern Germany, or Angela Merkel?

Because, last I checked, Angela Merkel doesn't invoke Hitler to show how great Germany is.

I'm sorry to have to point this out.

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by dllthomas »

khazhoux wrote: post #126
mywacaday wrote: post #82

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My nearly 5 year old is obsessed with Octonauts and is able to recite a lot of accurate factual information form their end of show "Creature Reports", now if i can only get him as obsessed with school.....

Get the hardcover books the show was based on. Beautiful artwork!!

Ehh.

On the one hand, I definitely agree they're beautiful! And creative, clever, etc.

On the other hand, the books are not grounded in actual sealife the way the show is. Coming from the show to the books, this was disappointing. Hopefully it's a better experience if you know that ahead of time!

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by imtringued »

RugnirViking wrote: post #101
Shivetya wrote: post #79

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Heck, let him go to #kickstarter for it and sell everything from souvenirs to actual trips to the facility. his customers can include full on science groups to everyday citizens with obvious disclaimers you have to meet specific medical requirements.

The scale of fundraising on Kickstarter is not even close to the scale of funding a project like this requires. The largest Kickstarters in history (which this would not be) are in the realm of $20 million. This project will need $135 million, and it's not clear even that will be enough, but my guess is no. For reference, estimates put the actual ISS cost around 150 000 million (150 billion)

Why does the cost of the ISS matter when "Jacques Couasteau's grandson" has already projected costs to be lower than the ISS?

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

bambax wrote: post #151
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #100

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Once more, I have to ask you, if you do not mean to implicate Cousteau's entire family, all the way up to his great-great grandchildren, for Cousteau's antisemitism, then why are you bringing his antisemitism up in a discussion about his grandson? Why is what you are doing here any different than reminding everyone of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis everytime someone talks about modern Germany, or Angela Merkel?

Because, last I checked, Angela Merkel doesn't invoke Hitler to show how great Germany is. I'm sorry to have to point this out.

Yes, and Fabien Cousteau is not known to be an antisemite, so why are you bringing up antisemitism in a conversation about Fabien Cousteau?

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

bambax wrote: post #149
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #95

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What "heroes"? Why do we care about Jacques-Yves Cousteau's character? We are commenting on an article about a project by Cousteau's grandson. Why does Jacques-Yves Cousteau's lying or antisemitism have anything to do with Fabien Cousteau's project? In any case, why do we need to judge anyone's character in a HN thread? What is this, inquisition by internet forum? That is just the worse, lowest form of internet activ…

> We are commenting on an article about a project by Cousteau's grandson. Exactly. And we wouldn't be talking about it were it not for the affiliation. > This is at the level of the darkest recesses of 4chan. Right. Does this count as Godwin's law?

>> Exactly. And we wouldn't be talking about it were it not for the affiliation.

I posted the article and I didn't post it because Fabien is Jaqcues-Yve's grandson, but because I find the idea of underwater habitats interesting. You're the one who is focused on the "affiliation". And for no good reason other than to throw some dirt around, from what I can tell.

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by billbrown »

bambax wrote: post #67
henearkr wrote: post #64

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He was a great oceanographer, engineer, filmmaker, and he opened the eyes of multiple generations on what lies in the oceans and how it's fragile and important to protect it. Isn't that worth a monument? He may have said/done/been bad things at the same time. Do we bury all bronze busts of Wagner?

I don't care for Wagner's bust. I care for his music. Edit: Cousteau's work is as bad as his character.

He blew up a reef one time in a documentary in the 50s. Do you know if he ever changed his mind about the event? Or was he just a-dynamitin' till the end?

(I ask rhetorically because even a cursory read of his Wikipedia page would demonstrate that his actions afterwards undercut that sort of cavalier attitude to the undersea environment. I believe he explicitly repudiated that action besides but I can't find where.)

Moreover, what _else_ of his work is bad? That one thing? He produced educational films, books, speeches, etc. for almost four decades after that film.

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by NeutronStar »

bambax wrote: post #26
gregoriol wrote: post #16

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Do you have sources for such accusations?

Plenty of sources (in French). For example: Anti-Semitism: https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1999/06/18/la-plonge... Cousteau's first wife Simone was independently wealthy and financed his boat (Calypso) and expeditions. She lived on board most of the time (yet never appears on camera). But he had another secret family (with kids) on the shore with a former flight attendant, since the late 70s. Simone only lear…

From your very own article:

> Et d'ajouter : "Cette réaction est normale, mais il est nécessaire de remettre le film dans son contexte : notre planète comptait 2,7 milliards d'habitants, la mer était une donnée inconnue, et à nos yeux, elle représentait une corne d'abondance inépuisable."

> And to add: "This reaction is normal, but it is necessary to put the film in its context: our planet had 2.7 billion inhabitants, the sea was an unknown data, and in our eyes, it represented a horn. of inexhaustible abundance. "

Context is everything.

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Post by waste_monk »

sandworm101 wrote: post #137
keithwhor wrote: post #134

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Aren't all of these problems solved by just having the moonpool room airlocked?

Airlocks are actually rather dangerous. Things can go wrong very quickly. An accidental rapid/unplanned decompression, even only across a few feet of pressure, can do real damage. Then there are the issues building the doors, which hold enough force that should they pop open they could kill. The biggest advantage of the moonpool approach is having the entire complex at the same pressure, with the pool acting as a pas…

Yeah, pressure differentials are no joke. Look at the Byford Dolhin incident [1]:

> Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the crescent-shaped opening measuring 60 centimetres (24 in) long created by the jammed interior trunk door. With the escaping air and pressure, it included bisection of his thoracoabdominal cavity, which resulted in expulsion of all of the internal organs of his chest and abdomen, except the trachea and a section of small intestine, and of the thoracic spine. These were projected some distance, one section being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door.

> The blood of the three divers left intact inside the chambers likely boiled instantly, stopping their circulation

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Post by tweetle_beetle »

oh_sigh wrote: post #145
hobofan wrote: post #97

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A lot of KPop fans are very organized on social media (mostly Twitter/Tiktok/Instagram) and know all the best tricks for them, which they usually use to push their favorite bands. At the same time it also gives them a lot of power whenever social issues are discussed on those platforms. Recently, they've been involved with BLM in various forms[0] and orchestrated the "million ticket" Trump rally prank[1], so very dir…

"Keeping Democracy alive"...by preventing voters from attending an event by certain politicians.

If trying to subvert the activities of a campaign to re-elect a politician who happens to be actively undermining the democratic process isn't making efforts towards "keeping democracy alive", I don't know what is.
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