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Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Some of these Kpop bands do the Lords work in keeping democracy alive, so there's that.

Their fandoms of organized young people do. The bands contribute shockingly little to that.

Would someone please explain what this is about? How are kpop bands (or their audience) "keeping democracy alive"?

Genuine question, there's obviously something I've missed.

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Not sure how much of a news story it is. I also want to build the ISS of the sea, I always did. Now, I don't have a famous granddad with whom I share my last name, but even if I did it's not like it's enough to build ISS of the sea. The article is written in a very dreamy tone and contains very little substantial information. It firmly assures that "Proteus will be" such and such, as if they are making the finishing…

> "Fabien is raising $135 million" (which, TBH, seems quite a conservative estimate for this project on the one hand, and on the other is a pretty huge investment for something that doesn't have any ROI projections attached)

Juicero raised $113M, anything is possible if you get the right people on-board (no pun intended). I agree it seems incredibly conservative for a large scale engineering project though.

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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post #76

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Their fandoms of organized young people do. The bands contribute shockingly little to that.

Would someone please explain what this is about? How are kpop bands (or their audience) "keeping democracy alive"? Genuine question, there's obviously something I've missed.

Kpop fans are active on Twitter and have flooded right-wing and pro-police hashtags with content designed to drown-out "racist" messages.

The Verge covered it back in June: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/3/21278950/k-pop-stans-socia...

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Regarding bigotry and antisemitism, there are, of course, caveats in the article you link: Interrogé par Le Monde, Erik Orsenna confie : « C'est évidemment une lettre ignoble. Mais j'ai peur que si l'on ouvre toute la correspondance des Français de l'époque, et si l'on écoute l'enregistrement de leurs conversations, on découvrirait beaucoup d'autre antisémitisme de cette sorte. Autrement, Pétain n'aurait pu rencontre…

Cousteau falsely claimed to have been a member of the Résistance when he was in fact protected by the occupying German army. His first film received a positive critique in his brother's newspaper Je suis partout in 1943, which launched his entire career. He later said the film only came out in 1946. The part about his personal life is to further substantiate the "liar" part. It's not just that he had a "mistress"; he…

What "heroes"? Why do we care about Jacques-Yves Cousteau's character? We are commenting on an article about a project by Cousteau's grandson. Why does Jacques-Yves Cousteau's lying or antisemitism have anything to do with Fabien Cousteau's project?

In any case, why do we need to judge anyone's character in a HN thread? What is this, inquisition by internet forum? That is just the worse, lowest form of internet activity and I'm really sorry to see it on HN. This is at the level of the darkest recesses of 4chan.

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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post #76

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Their fandoms of organized young people do. The bands contribute shockingly little to that.

Would someone please explain what this is about? How are kpop bands (or their audience) "keeping democracy alive"? Genuine question, there's obviously something I've missed.

If you consider Twitter to be a place to allow all voices (which it isn't) this act by kpop fans should be considered silencing voices

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Their fandoms of organized young people do. The bands contribute shockingly little to that.

Would someone please explain what this is about? How are kpop bands (or their audience) "keeping democracy alive"? Genuine question, there's obviously something I've missed.

A lot of KPop fans are very organized on social media (mostly Twitter/Tiktok/Instagram) and know all the best tricks for them, which they usually use to push their favorite bands. At the same time it also gives them a lot of power whenever social issues are discussed on those platforms.

Recently, they've been involved with BLM in various forms[0] and orchestrated the "million ticket" Trump rally prank[1], so very direct involvement in politics. Whether that is "keeping democracy alive" is probably up for personal interpretation, but in general there seems to be at least a high interest in political participation.

In contrast to their fanbases, KPop artists are pretty absent from those political debates (which isn't uncommon for mainstream media stars), and don't speak out about political issues in fear they might turn away a portion of their fans.

[0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52996705

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-...

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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Regarding bigotry and antisemitism, there are, of course, caveats in the article you link: Interrogé par Le Monde, Erik Orsenna confie : « C'est évidemment une lettre ignoble. Mais j'ai peur que si l'on ouvre toute la correspondance des Français de l'époque, et si l'on écoute l'enregistrement de leurs conversations, on découvrirait beaucoup d'autre antisémitisme de cette sorte. Autrement, Pétain n'aurait pu rencontre…

While the majority of French people would probably have been somewhat anti-semitic, I'm not sure that it's fair to say that the majority of French people were hoping that the Nazis would get on with deporting the Jews, already. That letter really is pretty bad.

The letter is prety bad, but my understanding is that until the atrocities committed by the Nazis forced the other Europeans to confront their antisemitism, such ideas were widespread in all European countries. [Edit: and of course, antisemitic ideas persist to this day.]

Pretty much the same thing happens today with islamophobic ideas and with "the last racism", i.e. hatred towards Gypsies, Roma and Travellers, even though they were also subjected to genocide by the Nazis.

Some people never learn- and Europeans, in particular, seem to have a particularly hard time to learn from our shared past of nationalism and racism and the brutalities committed because of them. In that, I'm speaking as a European, an EU citizen, a Greek citizen and someone very concerned about the waves of nationalism and racism that are still rising all around Europe. In my own country, it took cold-blooded murder for public opinion to face the fact that Xrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) is a band of criminal thugs and stop voting those bastards to the Greek parliament (now they vote for their dregs). If we expect blood to be spilled before we understand where fascism leads us, we'll just keep destroying ourselves over and over. And I'm very afraid that we will do exactly that.

But, again, this has nothing to do with the character of Fabien Cousteau, which to me is pretty clearly what the OP is trying to attack, through his association with his grandfather, a practice that I find as revolting as the ideas expressed by the grandfather in the letter discussed in Le Monde.

Re: Jacques Cousteau’s grandson wants to build the ISS of the sea

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So far you and others here have only shown one example of a letter where he is calling for jewish (and muslim) people to be kicked out. I have seen nothing about extermination etc. Even more so- what the hell is this "not a good family" business all about? Seriously? The whole family? Because of one member? This is just mud-slinging.

By "family" I meant Cousteau's family during the war, not all his descendants of course. Sorry if that was unclear. But he was a Nazi sympathizer and was protected by the Germans during the war. Then he falsely claimed to have been a member of the Resistance. This is all documented in his biography.

Once more, I have to ask you, if you do not mean to implicate Cousteau's entire family, all the way up to his great-great grandchildren, for Cousteau's antisemitism, then why are you bringing his antisemitism up in a discussion about his grandson?

Why is what you are doing here any different than reminding everyone of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis everytime someone talks about modern Germany, or Angela Merkel?

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