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Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by Humdeee »

stale2002 wrote: post #547
veilrap wrote: post #454

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The lack of ability to install other App Stores reduces fragmentation and potentially improves the overall user experience of the product. If I wanted choice in App Stores I would buy an Android phone. I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. Therefore, I bought an iOS device.

> I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. And you can have that. By not installing other app stores. > reduces fragmentation You don't have to fragment anything. Just only use the Apple App store. > If I wanted choice in App Stores You are not forced into choosing anything. All you have to do is not install other app stores, and you don't ha…

All these points are moot as the main Appstore would be made much less valuable because it is assumed many major app players would diverge away. Even quoting the line, it was still largely glossed over:

> ...prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps.

What is consistent when every app player is part of a different app store? Suddenly Microsoft has their own, Google has their own, Epic Games as their own, etc.

No thank you.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by Humdeee »

badsectoracula wrote: post #515
Humdeee wrote: post #308

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I want Android to have stricter control of their Apps that are released in their native appstore. I also want the manufacturer to have complete control so much that I never need to have an anti-virus. Scratch all that, I demand it. How come I cannot get this? Wait a second, why is there all this bloatware on my phone after I turned it on for the first time? How do I get rid of it? Is it really gone even though it say…

> I want Android to have stricter control of their Apps that are released in their native appstore. Google could have this without having Android itself disallow 3rd party applications. > I also want the manufacturer to have complete control so much that I never need to have an anti-virus. Scratch all that, I demand it. How come I cannot get this? If you are afraid of viruses on your phone you can avoid that by using…

> what i refer to is being in control of your device after you bought it. Of course you can choose to not buy an Apple device, but after buying it you lose any form of control over your own device.

I think this part is completely tripping you up from understanding all these replies where you dissect comments bit by bit.

People are okay with not having this control. In fact, many pay for it to be done for us, and furthermore, want a more securely, closed environment without the proposed options. To many, this falls apart when more doors and options start to open.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by dkonofalski »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #571
jackvalentine wrote: post #543

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"This false argument" Why don't you address it then? There is a world of more open software and hardware out there if you want that freedom. Why should everyone be subject to exactly the product you want?

It was addressed a lot of times before, but OK, I'll do it again. You see, you too want the product I am describing, but you are too myopic to understand it. Maybe it is because you come from a better place than I, where the government does not actively censor app stores. Imagine, that some day Apple will remove the app you use, would you still say 'ok, I knew what product I bought'? With iOS devices, you don't buy a…

>You buy a product where the app you use may stop working any day

This has happened to me with more products than I can count on both the Mac and PC side and with nearly every mobile device I've ever used. Tons of apps on SymbianOS and Windows Mobile that worked on one device didn't work on the next device I bought. The current environment is a vast improvement on everything that came before it.

Maybe that's why you're being so condescending. We've lived through the evolution that got us here while you, quite clearly, think that open, by default, equals better simply because it's better for you as an individual. There are many, many people that view the iPhone environment and Apple's ecosystem as the better option. They're obviously all wrong.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by dkonofalski »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #525
dkonofalski wrote: post #512

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I don't understand how that's any different than Google? China has a country-wide firewall too so, even if you have an Android phone, there's no way to get around that without breaking the law. Also, what happens on a Mac has no bearing on what happens on the iPhone even if I made an analogy using the Mac. I need that type of access on my Mac. If they ever remove that, I'll need to find another option. That's not the…

> I don't understand how that's any different than Google? With Android, at least you can sideload the apps, and firewalls can be circumvented fairly easily. As for laws, well, not all laws are to be obeyed.

And on an iPhone, you can jailbreak and install apps too. At least in that case, you need technical knowledge and a willful understanding that you're voiding any kind of support.

Tell that to the people living in China.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by ksk »

scarface74 wrote: post #322
wayneftw wrote: post #162

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I’ve been running PCs and Macs in my house for over 2 decades. I have not once had a problem with viruses. Most of my problems have been with restrictions that Apple has put on me in their Mac and iOS product lines. > Apple requiring Sign In with Apple (when signin with Google/Facebook are implemented) where you can hide your email address. That’s not possible with multiple app stores. Yes it is. You, as a consumer c…

I’ve been running PCs and Macs in my house for over 2 decades. I have not once had a problem with viruses. Are you saying that viruses, malware, ransomware, keyloggers, multiple toolbars have not been a problem in general over two decades? You remember when “reputable” sites like SourceForge were bundling adware?

Are you saying a grandma starts a PC and immediately knows about SourceForge?

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by notSupplied »

Thorentis wrote: post #521
unknown2374 wrote: post #505

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There are open platforms, and due to convenience of distribution developers have reluctantly chosen these platforms over open ones. Now while I am not defending Apple's position here, developers who have chosen to distribute only on such platforms for the past few decades are partly to blame too. The success of Apple (etc.) are due to choices that developers have made, closing themselves in and then citing anti-trust…

Exactly. Developers loved the gravy train while it lasted. 30% cut for being put into the hands of millions of people instantly was pocket change in the 2010s. Now that the market is saturated and developers have tougher competition, they're turning on Apple. Take your money, smile that it happened, and go work on open platforms from now on.

What if the phone is in the hands of millions of people in the first place because it is full of apps? Didn’t the Mac cede it’s place in PC history because Windows had more software?

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by scarface74 »

ksk wrote: post #605
scarface74 wrote: post #322

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I’ve been running PCs and Macs in my house for over 2 decades. I have not once had a problem with viruses. Are you saying that viruses, malware, ransomware, keyloggers, multiple toolbars have not been a problem in general over two decades? You remember when “reputable” sites like SourceForge were bundling adware?

Are you saying a grandma starts a PC and immediately knows about SourceForge?

Know grandma might have wanted to download Firefox and downloaded the version from SourceForge with adware. More recently, if you search for a printer driver for your printer, the first link is not from the vendor, it’s ftom a third party where the driver may or may not be real but definitely has bundled crap.

If you wanted to download software, why wouldn’t you go to “download.com” (owned by CNET who is owned by CBS) and you see the software you want from a reputable source that is still bundled with crapware.

Let’s not forget that Chrome became popular originally because it was also bundled with third party software.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by ksk »

scarface74 wrote: post #607
ksk wrote: post #605

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Are you saying a grandma starts a PC and immediately knows about SourceForge?

Know grandma might have wanted to download Firefox and downloaded the version from SourceForge with adware. More recently, if you search for a printer driver for your printer, the first link is not from the vendor, it’s ftom a third party where the driver may or may not be real but definitely has bundled crap. If you wanted to download software, why wouldn’t you go to “download.com” (owned by CNET who is owned by CBS…

What has that got to do with PCs? All you're describing are flaws in other products - namely Google's search. Google does a terrible job because they promote illegitimate sources over legitimate ones. The solution is to not use Google.

Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

notSupplied wrote: post #606
Thorentis wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Developers loved the gravy train while it lasted. 30% cut for being put into the hands of millions of people instantly was pocket change in the 2010s. Now that the market is saturated and developers have tougher competition, they're turning on Apple. Take your money, smile that it happened, and go work on open platforms from now on.

What if the phone is in the hands of millions of people in the first place because it is full of apps? Didn’t the Mac cede it’s place in PC history because Windows had more software?

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Re: Apple ordered to not block Epic’s Unreal Engine, Fortnite to stay off App Store

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Post by scarface74 »

ksk wrote: post #608
scarface74 wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Know grandma might have wanted to download Firefox and downloaded the version from SourceForge with adware. More recently, if you search for a printer driver for your printer, the first link is not from the vendor, it’s ftom a third party where the driver may or may not be real but definitely has bundled crap. If you wanted to download software, why wouldn’t you go to “download.com” (owned by CNET who is owned by CBS…

What has that got to do with PCs? All you're describing are flaws in other products - namely Google's search. Google does a terrible job because they promote illegitimate sources over legitimate ones. The solution is to not use Google.

What does this have to do with PCs? Your question was about PCs

Are you saying a grandma starts a PC and immediately knows about SourceForge?

So which search engine do you suggest? What if there were a secondary App Store on phones? Selling a “free” version of some popular app?

Why would the same issue of slimy developers who game the system on PCs not do the same on phones?

On the other hand, isn’t that exactly what users are doing? They are purposefully avoiding a Google product - Android - with all of its “openness” to buy an iPhone. Tell me again why we need the government involved?

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