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Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by chadcmulligan »

thesausageking wrote: post #117
holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

Whatever your stance on if TikTok should be banned, it's concerning that the CEO of their largest competitor is able to dictate government policy to potentially remove them from the market. And Facebook is the only large tech player with this direct access to the Whitehouse. The decision should be based on what's best for the US and for the market as a whole; not what's best for Facebook.

> what's best for the US and for the market as a whole; not what's best for Facebook.

I'd say Facebooks view is the difference is only temporary, much like China's view on the world

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by strogonoff »

iddqd wrote: post #190
strogonoff wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot locate anything about the person you refer to, but that doesn’t matter. “Not wholly unrelated” is a very weak justification for an abduction of a foreign citizen (especially where “not unrelated” means “wrote about some country’s politics”), and unilaterally declaring international consular relations “suspended”. “What about Y” does not mean X should be tolerated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawit_Isaak

Yep, as I thought… Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by sumedh »

triceratops wrote: post #70
simonsarris wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook Marketplace is better than Craigslist. Buyers have a history by default ("On Facebook since 2009" etc) which is nice.

It requires you to have a Facebook account. This by definition makes it an inferior product. I've been buying and selling stuff on Craigslist for years, never had a problem. If you're really paranoid about getting ripped off, do the transaction in the parking lot of your local police station.

> This by definition makes it an inferior product.

Maybe to you, not to others?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by bluntfang »

abc-xyz wrote: post #174
spamizbad wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think the American way is superior why are you so quick to throw it in the trash to adopt China's policies? Or is it your view the American way deficient and we should learn from China?

I think most people would agree that the American way is superior, but that doesn’t mean that it will work with parties unwilling to participate. Luckily it’s only China that refuse to play by the rules, which means that you can easily remove them from the game without changing the game or adopting their policies.

>I think most people would agree that the American way is superior

have you be experiencing the pandemic in America?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by abc-xyz »

bluntfang wrote: post #194
abc-xyz wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people would agree that the American way is superior, but that doesn’t mean that it will work with parties unwilling to participate. Luckily it’s only China that refuse to play by the rules, which means that you can easily remove them from the game without changing the game or adopting their policies.

>I think most people would agree that the American way is superior have you be experiencing the pandemic in America?

How’s this relevant when we’re talking about countries banning foreign (internet) companies from their market?

Besides, open markets are not exclusive to America, and plenty of open and democratic countries have done a far better job than China (who’re 100% responsible for the pandemic) with regard to the Wuhan Virus.

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Post by archibaldJ »

echelon wrote: post #112
riq_ wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "fairness" The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. There are other countries that are not a democracy an that are allies with the USA, like Saudi Arabia. But they are "good", apparently. And also, just remember that the USA only supports the democracies that are aligned with the way of thinking. Just do a bit of research…

> The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections. You march to the beat of the CCP drum or you're removed. You're also severely disadvantaged if you aren't Han Chinese. The Uighurs are being systematically exterminated, and they're not the only…

Such anti-China sentiments worry me because these are precisely the kinds of thinking (on both sides) that lead to over-generalisation and refusal to be in one another’s shoes.

Imagine 20 years from now Mars settlement has started to become reality. And most earthlings are still stuck at the primitive notions of dividing people and labeling things in overly generalised categories like the abstract notions of sovereign states.

I just hope when we have finally colonised Mars people who settle down in this otherworld are not as divided as we currently are.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by asjw »

echelon wrote: post #112
riq_ wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "fairness" The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. There are other countries that are not a democracy an that are allies with the USA, like Saudi Arabia. But they are "good", apparently. And also, just remember that the USA only supports the democracies that are aligned with the way of thinking. Just do a bit of research…

> The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections. You march to the beat of the CCP drum or you're removed. You're also severely disadvantaged if you aren't Han Chinese. The Uighurs are being systematically exterminated, and they're not the only…

I don't understand if this has to be considered an answer to the previous post, it sound more like a reaction

But if

> China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections.

What about US where people have SIX times the chances of being shot and killed in the streets?

(1 every 100k VS 6 every 100k)

I mean: safety is a human right, especially in democratic western supposedly civilized countries

To find another country with such bad homicide stats you have to look at undeveloped countries run by criminal cartels or warlords

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Post by croes »

frequentnapper wrote: post #183
croes wrote: post #141

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It has nothing to do with moral high ground. It's about being the better alternative and about and free markets. But now everybody knows the US will play dirty to protect their it predominance. The way the US acted against Huawei and TikTok showed what could happen to anybody who opposes the will of the US. Even the EU now is looking for alternatives for the IT tech giants. The trust is gone.

No, it shows that the US will no longer tolerate state subsidized corporations from supplanting other corporations trying to play by the rules.

Come on, the US an playing by the rules? The used Echelon to help Boing winning a contract against Airbus. The EU only stopped the investigation because 9/11 happend.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by romanoderoma »

echelon wrote: post #112
riq_ wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "fairness" The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. There are other countries that are not a democracy an that are allies with the USA, like Saudi Arabia. But they are "good", apparently. And also, just remember that the USA only supports the democracies that are aligned with the way of thinking. Just do a bit of research…

> The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections. You march to the beat of the CCP drum or you're removed. You're also severely disadvantaged if you aren't Han Chinese. The Uighurs are being systematically exterminated, and they're not the only…

I think your American centric view gave you some blind spots

For once

>As impressive as China's domestic capabilities look, they have an aging population with a huge gender imbalance that will bite them in a few short decades.

Europe is in the same situation, it doesn't mean Europe will disappear

Japan is in a worse situation, but it's still the third economy in the World for GDP

> If the world decouples manufacturing and supply chains from China over this same time period, China is going to have significant problems.

You forgot (or you don't know) that China is practically colonizing Africa, which is gonna be the next big thing and has a lot of younger work force available, not considering that with 1.3 billion population is gonna be one of the largest markets in the World

USA has only 320 million citizen and only 80% of them are American born.

You also forgot that China is the United States' 3rd largest goods export market

It's also the third largest market for Apple devices.

China is also the largest supplier for USA, which means that on one side China get a lot of benefits trading on the US market, but also that USA without China goods is not gonna work the same way.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by 082349872349872 »

archibaldJ wrote: post #196
echelon wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections. You march to the beat of the CCP drum or you're removed. You're also severely disadvantaged if you aren't Han Chinese. The Uighurs are being systematically exterminated, and they're not the only…

Such anti-China sentiments worry me because these are precisely the kinds of thinking (on both sides) that lead to over-generalisation and refusal to be in one another’s shoes. Imagine 20 years from now Mars settlement has started to become reality. And most earthlings are still stuck at the primitive notions of dividing people and labeling things in overly generalised categories like the abstract notions of sovereig…

No doubt martians will find other silly ways to divide themselves.

    Domers rule, ok?
    Tunnels Tunnels #1! #1!

    We use sols.
    They use mars seconds.
At least martians will be able to agree their chronology has a Year Zero?
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