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Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by croes »

dx87 wrote: post #135
croes wrote: post #121

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So because China doesn't play fair the west doesn't play fair too? So the west becomes like China? Guess China wins because the have proven that the west isn't any better than them. We fell into their trap.

"Turn the other cheek" sounds nice in grade school and self-help blogs, but you can't just let yourself get taken advantage of in order to maintain some arbitrary moral high ground.

It has nothing to do with moral high ground. It's about being the better alternative and about and free markets. But now everybody knows the US will play dirty to protect their it predominance. The way the US acted against Huawei and TikTok showed what could happen to anybody who opposes the will of the US. Even the EU now is looking for alternatives for the IT tech giants. The trust is gone.

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echelon wrote: post #112
riq_ wrote: post #108

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> "fairness" The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. There are other countries that are not a democracy an that are allies with the USA, like Saudi Arabia. But they are "good", apparently. And also, just remember that the USA only supports the democracies that are aligned with the way of thinking. Just do a bit of research…

> The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections. You march to the beat of the CCP drum or you're removed. You're also severely disadvantaged if you aren't Han Chinese. The Uighurs are being systematically exterminated, and they're not the only…

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Post by Fr8TRN »

shoulderfake wrote: post #87

This is horseshit. The last thing fb wants is for nations to start banning each others technology companies. Tik tok being banned in India and USA could start a domino effect that see's fb being kicked out of many countries that follow.

Agreed. Let the propaganda flow on HN.

I hate to say it but I think well be drawing data lines on free trade agreements sooner than we think.

The cloud act is an experiment that might be adopted across continents.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by croes »

remarkEon wrote: post #124
croes wrote: post #120

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These restrictions are gone. China changed their laws.

Citation? In all markets, or just in select non-essential ones?

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=9aca6c56-fe41...

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Post by dicomdan »

Aperocky wrote: post #91
holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

This is pure disinformation.

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Post by echelon »

asddubs wrote: post #115
echelon wrote: post #112

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> The world is more complex than that. China is not "bad" because it is not a democracy. China is "bad" because it competes with the USA. China is bad because it is a horrific human rights abuser without democratic elections. You march to the beat of the CCP drum or you're removed. You're also severely disadvantaged if you aren't Han Chinese. The Uighurs are being systematically exterminated, and they're not the only…

it feels like you haven't really responded to the post you're replying to. the point they were making is that if that's what this was about, that standard would be enforced against saudi arabia as well.

It's probably because I agree with the OP's assessment, though they seemed impartial or critical of anti-China sentiment.

I happen to think what we are doing is justified and an imperative to maintaining our way of life.

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Post by double0jimb0 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #133
lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #28

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So a video with 100,000,000 views gets around $35,000? That seems low. A few searches suggest YouTube pays at least an order of magnitude more, depending on geo and engagement.

YouTube does pay an order of magnitude more per view, but the average YouTube video is two orders of magnitude longer than a TikTok video, so this compares very favourably to YouTube.

I believe your valuation discounts the persuasive storytelling value of the YT’s “longerish” content.

Not the greatest comparison, but YT : TikTok :: TV ad industry (2019-$70B) : Print Magazine (2019-$15B)

[0] https://www.marketingcharts.com/advertising-trends-108995

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Post by throWaythxMod »

tjr225 wrote: post #35
lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #28

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So a video with 100,000,000 views gets around $35,000? That seems low. A few searches suggest YouTube pays at least an order of magnitude more, depending on geo and engagement.

I dunno, I was just doing this math and thinking that seems pretty awesome. You only get $35,000 but the hardware you need is in your pocket. Of course, you need to be cool and be good at marketing- but still!

I have this exact problem. In my niche, I am the best. Most people post their opinions, but I collect data and do math. It makes the content better than competitors.

However I don't have a marketing team, and I'm not a hip hot girl.

Don't get me wrong, the website is popular and I've been on BBC, but I can tell my lower quality competitors are doing better.

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Post by snowwrestler »

holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

American values are way more important to the success of the U.S. than whether we have the #1 social media app in the world or whatever.

The U.S. rose to its current position by being a nation of values and principles--by sticking by them even through tough times, and encouraging their adoption elsewhere. That's the real long game. And right now we're losing it... actually no, this isn't something we can lose to someone else. We're forfeiting it. We're abandoning our best advantage.

We can't beat China by becoming China. And more to the point, China does not have to lose for the U.S. (or anyone else) to win.

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

baby wrote: post #94
Aperocky wrote: post #91

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There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

I don't think you realize how impossible it is to enter the Chinese market... Google wasted a ton of money trying to enter the US market (I recommend watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XImsSgdr4fg ), and Facebook did too. Look at how it went for Uber. If you want to give an example of a US company that is doing much better in China, it's Apple, and the sole reason is that everybody who works for the…

There are plenty of American companies that are doing fine in the China market. The automakers, Starbucks, even Disney does okay. Apple is doing alright, supposedly.

Tech companies don't do well because they tend to be staffed by people who 1. rebel against authority and 2. think that the liberal / anarchist parts of Western culture are the best way of doing things. What Uber did pissed off people in San Francisco, so it's small wonder the authorities would come down hard on them in China.

The word on the street is that people in China thought Googlers (and American software engineers by extension) were a tad insufferable and arrogant. One ought to be warned, that being arrogant is a surefire way to get people to beat you at any cost. And to be clear, I fit in that category myself.

At some point, I got off the high horse as far as China-this, China-that. Why? Partly because it didn't really seem important anymore, and partly because a lot of things that you can criticize China about, the U.S. has done as bad, and I don't like being hypocritical to that degree. You know what politicians like to do when things aren't so great? Point fingers at someone who's "worse." So really, in my view of things, FB and GOOG not succeeding in China would be a small price to pay for actually paying attention to things not right in the U.S.

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