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Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by croes »

holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

So because China doesn't play fair the west doesn't play fair too? So the west becomes like China? Guess China wins because the have proven that the west isn't any better than them. We fell into their trap.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by remarkEon »

geofft wrote: post #114
holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

I don't care if China is aghast at American protectionism and xenophobia. I'm aghast, because as an American citizen, I'm interested in fairness and I hate protectionism and xenophobia, and that's what I think America is about. If you're telling me that neither this nation nor any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure, and that we have to fight unfairness with unfairness, you're telling me that my loya…

At the end of the day the gleaming platitudes of Americanism (the stuff about fairness, equality etc) start to bump up against the reality of geopolitics. It's an unfair game, and pretending that China will eventually embrace what could colloquially be referred to as the Western approach to setting up markets like this is naive at best and dangerous at worst. It's not that your loyalty is misplaced, it's that I think you've misunderstood the game being played here.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by croes »

holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

BTW this is about Facebook. Zuckerberg is just killing a competitor. This has nothing to do with freedom, it's about money. Just like Epic vs Apple.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by remarkEon »

croes wrote: post #120
AlphaSite wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t there restrictions that the companies need to be 51% owned by local interests? And issues with IP transfer, etc.

These restrictions are gone. China changed their laws.

Citation? In all markets, or just in select non-essential ones?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by typ »

baby wrote: post #94
Aperocky wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

I don't think you realize how impossible it is to enter the Chinese market... Google wasted a ton of money trying to enter the US market (I recommend watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XImsSgdr4fg ), and Facebook did too. Look at how it went for Uber. If you want to give an example of a US company that is doing much better in China, it's Apple, and the sole reason is that everybody who works for the…

> the sole reason is that everybody who works for the Chinese government owns an iPhone.

Not only that, a large portion of iPhones are manufactured in China, which sustains enormous supply chains and jobs there.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by kube-system »

Aperocky wrote: post #91
holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

Yeah, the “certain set of rules” that many western companies have followed are sometimes no different in result than what is being asked of ByteDance.

It is fair to ask whether the US should be engaging in these tactics (I don’t think we should), but the suggestion that the US is doing something on a level that China wouldn’t is just false.

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Post by Jugurtha »

Aperocky wrote: post #91
holografix wrote: post #81

Reality is that while China blocks Facebook, Google, etc and smartly props up their own clones, it’s “aghast” at the American protectionism and xenophobic behaviour. How dare the Americans block a Chinese app?! China is not a democracy. It’s not interested in fairness. China is playing the long game. Just like the wars of the past were fought with little toy armies of a few thousand knights and noblemen marching into…

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

>There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US.

>China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bother instead of complying to those rules, but they very well could have, Bing and Amazon is in China.

Is that an accurate portrayal of events? Google did attempt to get into China more than a decade ago, and more recently with Dragonfly[0] which was shut down after word got out.

As for Facebook, one cannot look at all the relationship strengthening between its CEO and Xi Jinping and not think there is nothing behind that.

The point is that to say that Facebook and Google voluntarily quit or didn't even bother because of the reasons cited in the comment surely could be improved for accuracy.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine)

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Post by Aperocky »

tanilama wrote: post #118
Aperocky wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

> facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China This is not true: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/24/17607992/facebook-allowed... Facebook attempts to open an office in China, but gets shutdown one day later. Ofc, this is China so nobody knows the reason why. Second, Chinese internet regulation is as opaque as its other operations, compliance with law is on the surface, they are tens of special g…

> Ofc, this is China so nobody knows the reason why.

I'd assume facebook know? Also your link does not seem related quote(Facebook opens a subsidiary in China, a breakthrough for the banned social media platform)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by kube-system »

croes wrote: post #120
AlphaSite wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t there restrictions that the companies need to be 51% owned by local interests? And issues with IP transfer, etc.

These restrictions are gone. China changed their laws.

They have decreased in scope but they are not gone.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Stoked Washington’s Fears About TikTok

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Post by Aperocky »

colordrops wrote: post #119
Aperocky wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference, facebook did not attempt to run its social media business in China, and Google voluntarily quit so it doesn't have to comply to censorship law. Meanwhile Tiktok has a US branch and is complying with laws in the US. China has a restrictive internet where if you want to operate, you have to comply with a certain set of rules that are unsavory to say the least. Facebook, Google decided to not bothe…

You are completely mistaken if you think simply complying with local laws will allow you to succeed in the Chinese market.

I don't think that, nor do I think that is true anywhere on this planet.
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