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Lightroom app update wipes users' photos and presets, Adobe says not recoverable

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Post by jsmith99 »

vosper wrote: post #247
berkes wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From "koopovereenkomst" I assume you are Dutch or Belgian. In the Netherlands, a "koopovereenkomst" most often means you have a "payment obligation" (betaalverplichting). The whole invoicing system where people pay afterwards, hinges on this principle. Disclaimer: IANAL (But I helped as software developer at a factoring company: which buys unpaid invoices from freelancers for a fee or a percentage of the invoice-amou…

> a factoring company: which buys unpaid invoices from freelancers for a fee or a percentage of the invoice-amount Getting way off-topic here, but I’ve never heard of this. Is it like a bill-collector for freelancers? Who do the non-payers tend to be - is it companies who think they can stiff a freelancer, but who will pay up when someone with teeth comes knocking? Also, can anyone sell an invoice on to someone else…

Not sure about freelancers specifically but factoring is normally used by small companies to reduce short term capital requirements, as most companies will only pay invoices after 30 days and some have payment terms of much longer eg 90 days. Anyone can factor an invoice and if it was issued by a large and credit worthy company then this is a cheap way to access secured credit.

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Post by beagle3 »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #158
causality0 wrote: post #145

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A real computer can run automatic backups to a second local disk or over your home network. Even if you do feel like paying Apple for adequate iCloud backup storage you're consuming bandwidth and using large amounts of data.

You can do that with an iPhone too. You can do a full backup of the phone to the mac, encrypted, which also contains "sensitive" data, etc. Can be run over wifi if you don't want to bother with cables or via usb if the local wifi is shoddy. No need to pay Apple anything for any storage.

But you can only restore an entire phone, likely losing all of your work since He last backup - was that yesterday or last month?

And sometime around iOS 6 or 7 they killed the option to maintain multiple backups - so you can’t backup, restore older version, save data, return to latest.

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Post by tpxl »

dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #225
parkersweb wrote: post #212

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I went through a similar experience - in fairness Adobe do say that the prices advertised are the monthly fee based on a 12 month subscription, but the way in which it was presented felt like they went out of their way to hide that fact. I then discovered that you can only cancel that 12 month subscription within a short window at the very end of the 12 months. In the end Adobe retired one of the products from Creati…

> I then discovered that you can only cancel that 12 month subscription within a short window at the very end of the 12 months. Is that legal?

Generally yes, you enter a contract for a 12 month subscription but get a discount for it (ex. paying monthly with no subscription it'd cost x, paying monthly with a subscription would cost 0.8x). Good services usually have a clause that you can cancel but have to pay a penalty (for example (number of months0.3x) or (number of remaining months 0.1x)).

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #158
causality0 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A real computer can run automatic backups to a second local disk or over your home network. Even if you do feel like paying Apple for adequate iCloud backup storage you're consuming bandwidth and using large amounts of data.

You can do that with an iPhone too. You can do a full backup of the phone to the mac, encrypted, which also contains "sensitive" data, etc. Can be run over wifi if you don't want to bother with cables or via usb if the local wifi is shoddy. No need to pay Apple anything for any storage.

>No need to pay Apple anything for any storage.

Except the storage on the mac I back up to of course. Which I have no desire to buy.

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Post by drcongo »

te_chris wrote: post #205
jseliger wrote: post #138

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CaptureOne as well: https://www.captureone.com/en/ although their interface is not as good.

It looks like they want to charge me the same as Lightroom but without the seamless cloud storage.

Seamless is a weird word to use in the context of the posted article.

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Post by DigitalComrade »

gorgoiler wrote: post #152

It was amazing that Lightroom came with free upgrades, year after year. I would probably have happily paid $99 each time there was a major version number increase, even if that meant paying effectively $99 a year. That’s not far off the subscription price. Something about the subscription model feels so arrogant though, on Adobe’s part, that I just can’t stomach it. Is it because it feels like rent? May Lightroom 6,…

Every year I buy a 1 year license off amazon for the photography plan (which includes both lightrooms and Photoshop). It works out cheaper (£89 for the year instead of £10 x 12)

Each year I revaluate the alternatives, but so far they always come up short.

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Post by illirik »

jsmith99 wrote: post #251
vosper wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a factoring company: which buys unpaid invoices from freelancers for a fee or a percentage of the invoice-amount Getting way off-topic here, but I’ve never heard of this. Is it like a bill-collector for freelancers? Who do the non-payers tend to be - is it companies who think they can stiff a freelancer, but who will pay up when someone with teeth comes knocking? Also, can anyone sell an invoice on to someone else…

Not sure about freelancers specifically but factoring is normally used by small companies to reduce short term capital requirements, as most companies will only pay invoices after 30 days and some have payment terms of much longer eg 90 days. Anyone can factor an invoice and if it was issued by a large and credit worthy company then this is a cheap way to access secured credit.

More recently, see the development of reverse factoring, where the customer initiates financing for its purchases from its suppliers. It's dangerous, as you can imagine; if the customer can't pay for its invoices, instead of being indebted to a supplier, they are in default to their creditor. See Greensill, a $1.5bn-from-Softbank startup that is involved in several recent crises among its creditors in the UK (see https://www.ft.com/content/d5a5951f-bab8-4ea8-b0d7-2b70455c9..., and for a more indepth explanation of what reverse factoring is (with jokes also), see https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-iyz8z-e06e88)

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Post by jsmith99 »

StreamBright wrote: post #239
Brajeshwar wrote: post #98

In another story, I needed Lightroom for about a week to do some photo work. I started with their subscription for the month and I wanted to let go if I'm done in the first month. While trying to cancel my subscription, I realize I can only do that after paying for the remaining 11 months (rough calculation). With no other option, I paid my penalty and left Adobe for good. I have deleted my 15+ year old Adobe account…

I got rid off Adobe from my life too. The new cloud based Lightroom cannot be installed because the installer itself cannot run on a Mac with the new file system. I could not believe it myself but that is it. The recommended workaround is to go back to the previous filesystem. Do you have any recommendation for Lightroom replacement on a Mac (not iOS)?

Capture One is the main professional rival for an integrated asset management, raw processor, and non destructive retoucher. Darktable is the most popular open source alternative.

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Post by rietta »

muldvarp wrote: post #235
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #116

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I recently signed up for adobe CC to test out premiere for some video editing work (side note, Final Cut is better) and instead of inputting a real card I used a privacy.com one. When I decided I didn't want it, I just disabled the privacy card. I only have to deal with a few annoying emails from adobe. I didn't even bother trying to cancel. Reading your comment makes me realize how smart that was.

> side note, Final Cut is better For anyone not doing professional video editing work I can definitely recommend DaVinci Resolve. The basic version is completely free and is extremely powerful.

And works on Linux! I still have a working MacBook Pro (now 6 years old) to do FCPx on, but when/if it bites the dust I am not planning on replacing it with another Apple.
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