This is all a shit show because the infrastructures in place are currently doomed for the market to succeed:
- no healthcare means you're a slave of whatever you can find,
- tipping culture means your employer can pay you shit
Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#72When companies like Uber/Lyft depend on safety nets like unemployment without ever paying into the system, what’s happening is that our children are paying for returns on VC capital.
People profiting from these types of companies should feel bad about themselves.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#73Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The employer has dramatically more power in the free market. Especially when backed by endless piles of VC money. Remember that the free market didn't end child labor, create weekends, or the minimum wage.
It only enabled the technological foundations to do all of the above.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ...Uber drivers reported earning $13.47 per hour, which means that on average, drivers report that their car is costing them over $6 per hour to operate. If you were to drive full time, that would get you about 27k/year, which is about the average income that a taxi driver makes. Rideshare companies are asking you to take more personal financial risk than you might as a taxi driver, but giving you more flexibility.…
Who says driving for Uber/Lyft should be a full-time job, or statutorily viable as a full-time job? If you consider it only as a second or third job, then it makes a lot more sense that your second or third job is not going to pay as well or have the same benefits as your first job. Those aspects would be expected and reasonable. The low-risk, high-reward jobs fill your primary job slot, then you seek other options a…
if only the people who were driving as an addition to their primary job, uber would be severely hampered. the ease of access and response is predicated on full time uber drivers
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#75Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
Capital has an immense amount of leverage in the market, and the only way for that power to be counteracted at scale is through government action and/or labor organizing. Individuals can't will a reasonable employer into being on their own.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#76Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#77"Uber and Lyft say drivers prefer the flexibility of working as freelancers, while labor unions and elected officials contend this deprives them of traditional benefits like health insurance and workers’ compensation." I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. 1. https://therideshareguy.com/uber-driver-survey/ 2. (In a May online survey dra…
>I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. If the employers don't want the change... and the employees don't want the change... and the customers don't want the change... and the shareholders don't want the change... and the residents of California don't want the change (exhibited by the threads yesterday with outcry over the decision to sh…
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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#78"Uber and Lyft say drivers prefer the flexibility of working as freelancers, while labor unions and elected officials contend this deprives them of traditional benefits like health insurance and workers’ compensation." I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. 1. https://therideshareguy.com/uber-driver-survey/ 2. (In a May online survey dra…
>I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. If the employers don't want the change... and the employees don't want the change... and the customers don't want the change... and the shareholders don't want the change... and the residents of California don't want the change (exhibited by the threads yesterday with outcry over the decision to sh…
I'm not a resident of California (rather, Minnesota), but I do want it to change. I don't use gig services because I think anyone doing 40[1] hours of work deserves a wage they can live off of, along all the other employment protections we've worked so hard to implement. Gig services are cheap because they don't meet that requirement. If gig services were required to meet that minimum wage and workers' rights, then I would be very happy to use them.
[1] Negotiable.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#79When companies like Uber/Lyft depend on safety nets like unemployment without ever paying into the system, what’s happening is that our children are paying for returns on VC capital. People profiting from these types of companies should feel bad about themselves.
Now do Amazon.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#80This is all a shit show because the infrastructures in place are currently doomed for the market to succeed: - no healthcare means you're a slave of whatever you can find, - tipping culture means your employer can pay you shit
+1 for tipping culture. I just dont get it, why can employers pay their fair share, instead of expecting customers to foot the bill.