Isn't their business is based on "freelance"? if their taxi drivers go full time. the business operation will be a lot more with additional cost.
Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#42"Uber and Lyft say drivers prefer the flexibility of working as freelancers, while labor unions and elected officials contend this deprives them of traditional benefits like health insurance and workers’ compensation." I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. 1. https://therideshareguy.com/uber-driver-survey/ 2. (In a May online survey dra…
>I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2].
If the employers don't want the change...
and the employees don't want the change...
and the customers don't want the change...
and the shareholders don't want the change...
and the residents of California don't want the change (exhibited by the threads yesterday with outcry over the decision to shut down)...
Why is the government of California trying to force the change? Is this a breach of the social contract?
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#43Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
it's not that simple. by that logic you could say eliminate minimum wage and any other legal employee benefit. companies are in a position of power so they must be regulated
Sure, status quo policy isn't gospel, and a minimum wage isn't necessarily the best solution to the problems it aims to solve.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#44Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The market is not fair. People have to eat, and will look for whatever job that can get that will help them eat and provide for their families.
Yeah and what if they won't have a job at all because Uber/Lyft suddenly became too expensive for anyone to use?
If the costs increase dramatically, demand goes down and thus fewer drivers needed, as people look at alternatives like getting their own car, public transportation, bikes, etc.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#45"Uber and Lyft say drivers prefer the flexibility of working as freelancers, while labor unions and elected officials contend this deprives them of traditional benefits like health insurance and workers’ compensation." I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. 1. https://therideshareguy.com/uber-driver-survey/ 2. (In a May online survey dra…
> ...Uber drivers reported earning $13.47 per hour, which means that on average, drivers report that their car is costing them over $6 per hour to operate. If you were to drive full time, that would get you about 27k/year, which is about the average income that a taxi driver makes. Rideshare companies are asking you to take more personal financial risk than you might as a taxi driver, but giving you more flexibility.…
"personal risk"
This is kind of the state of the country really. Ridesharing is an OK gig until you get into an accident, you're fine without health insurance until you get injured, you don't really need a union until you start getting treated unfairly, you can pay for college as long as you consistently have a good salary... we're being statistically gaslit with the idea that most people can scrape by without higher wages and better general protections.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#46Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The market is not fair. People have to eat, and will look for whatever job that can get that will help them eat and provide for their families.
I genuinely don't understand this position. I don't see how replacing a "bad" option with no option helps anyone, especially the people that were willing to take the "bad" option.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#47Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The employer has dramatically more power in the free market. Especially when backed by endless piles of VC money.
Remember that the free market didn't end child labor, create weekends, or the minimum wage.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#48Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The market is not fair. People have to eat, and will look for whatever job that can get that will help them eat and provide for their families.
> The market is not fair.
What's your definition of "fair"?
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#49Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The market is not fair. People have to eat, and will look for whatever job that can get that will help them eat and provide for their families.
No such thing as fair in life. So why have some bureaucrat write laws to dictate fair based on their politics? The market isn’t political.
Having said that, Uber drivers exist because it does provide enough money to have people show up and provide a service. If it didn’t, no one would do the driving. Not to mention most drivers don’t want to be considered employees.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#50Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
Because markets and private sector can never be wiser than politicians, especially CA politicians.