Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not saying it'll be smooth sailing at all, just that this isn't the right time to cut access given all the other issues that are ongoing.
Tell that to Uber and Lyft.
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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#52Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
Because we're not monsters.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#53Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
Traditionally the answer to that is unions or professional group who can bargain on behalf of all their members, but it's hard to unionize fields with low barriers to entry (and harder when the workers are living paycheck to paycheck and thus can't strike easily), and impossible to unionize independent contractor drivers based on how the laws are written.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
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Yes. Once those crises are over it's all smooth sailing ahead! There'll be TONS of time for labor law then.
I'm not saying it'll be smooth sailing at all, just that this isn't the right time to cut access given all the other issues that are ongoing.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And yet their argument is they can't afford to spend $300M to cover driver benefits and pay into state unemployment insurance. You compared global market cap/revenue losses to just the impact of CA. What happens when other markets follow in CA's footsteps?
This argument that local laws can't be followed because "what would other jurisdictions do" doesn't seem to apply to authoritarian places like China who impose pretty onerous requirements for operation (like state ownership). There is another option for Uber/Lyft - to let drivers set their prices and/or routes. Of course, that would make them less of a unicorn and more of a utility and that would crater their valuati…
That isn't enough, is it? Don't they still fail the "core business functionality" part of the test?
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#56"Uber and Lyft say drivers prefer the flexibility of working as freelancers, while labor unions and elected officials contend this deprives them of traditional benefits like health insurance and workers’ compensation." I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. 1. https://therideshareguy.com/uber-driver-survey/ 2. (In a May online survey dra…
> ...Uber drivers reported earning $13.47 per hour, which means that on average, drivers report that their car is costing them over $6 per hour to operate. If you were to drive full time, that would get you about 27k/year, which is about the average income that a taxi driver makes. Rideshare companies are asking you to take more personal financial risk than you might as a taxi driver, but giving you more flexibility.…
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#57Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The market is great at optimizing certain imbalances, but a large scale imbalance of power between actors is not one of those imbalances.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#58Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
Because a lot of drivers start driving because they already can't find an alternative form of work? Or they already have another job (or several) that does not pay enough. However, they can't find yet another job with flexible enough hours. When the job market is garbage, "just let the market solve it" doesn't really cut it.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#59Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
- no healthcare means you're a slave of whatever you can find,
- tipping culture means your employer can pay you shit
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#60Why not let the market decide? If drivers are so unhappy why not just seek some alternative form of work? Uber/Lyft do not force anyone to hop online.
The market is not fair. People have to eat, and will look for whatever job that can get that will help them eat and provide for their families.