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> Being a single, young(ish) guy, it still makes sense to be in a city. A city, yes. SF? No. By far it's the worst place for this I've ever seen.
Depends on sexual orientation.
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Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall
#922Unpopular opinion - if you can simply move or work while traveling as an IC - you are not an essential worker for your company. The big productivity culling is coming, overhiring was so easy, all seemed justified. Careful of marking yourself as replaceable with remote labor. You might not like just how remote management will go :)
With all due respect to janitors, by your logic, janitors are the most essential workers at said company. In earnest, whom did you actually envision to be "essential" then? What will probably happen is the company will want to lower the workers salary based on the local market that the IC is operating in. If you aren't trying to wage arb, then you could keep your job, and potentially be happy.
Im not OP. How do you measure level of essential-ness? How soon someone complains about that work not being done? Janitor would be pretty high up there.
-Mark
Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall
#923I've lived in San Francisco for 15 years, and I won't miss these tech workers that are leaving. They can flee to their plot of land in Minnesota and make everyone out there angry instead when rents rise and their carpetbagger ideas show up on the local ballot. Anyone moving away isn't set on urban living and the type of community that's here. A city offers a mix of cultures, personalities, and ideas that don't form a…
Please show me these "once in a generation housing discounts".
The recession from 2009 to 2011, as shown in this graph, is the "once in a generation" sort of thing. Unfortunately, we're on leading edge of seeing it happen again, arguably within the same generation.
https://paragonpublic.blob.core.windows.net/dash-v2-blog-ima...
Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall
#924Is there any way to get data about where these people are going?
Uhaul publishes yearly migration trends, though they've not yet publicly shared data on where people are moving for 2020.
here's the one for 2019 https://www.uhaul.com/Articles/About/19966/U-Haul-Migration-...
Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall
#925Have others noticed this kind of "revolt against cities" attitude lately too? I do wonder if people consider the huge advantages city living can provide? I'm reading constantly that current dream is buying a plot of land in the middle no where, signing up for StarLink and growing watermelons while trying to work a full time engineering job. The thing is though, this is all just a temporary thing, even if this pandemi…
3-5 years is a long time relative to the span of a human life. I live in NYC; let's say that the reduction of city-life benefits in NYC is temporary, and it will be back to 2019 standards in 5 years (this is not an unbelievable assertion). Should I stick around for 5 years and wait it out? Why? 5 years is enough time for me to pay off an entire house in most parts of the country. I can always move back. I believe in the huge advantages cities provide; it's why I moved here in the first place. I don't feel any loyalty towards a geographic location though.
Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall
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I think it's silly that they even close. What's the point? Can someone enlighten me on why bars and stuff close at 1am? Thanks!
Drunk people tend to get sick, fight and break things which has a huge public cost.
Yeah, but they could do that any time of day! Especially when you close bars at 1am and send everyone drunk onto the street at the same time.
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Only if you don't know how many more jobs there are in SF that pay well enough to afford that than there are in other places.
If salaries don't need to reflect local cost of living, it seems that salaries will be subject to change. Fairly soon?
You're assuming that salaries are not also impacted by the immense amount of wealth being generated by the Silicon Valley economy, though. And you're also assuming that housing prices will radically change, which I don't think is guaranteed even in the medium-term.
Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall
#928I am living in SF now and this confirms a very clear pattern that I have seen emerging, particularly of tech workers. I would say that >50% of the people I know who were living in the city have left, or are in the process of leaving. Some examples (there are countless): 1) All three of the roommates that I had are choosing to leave either permanently or temporarily. 2) A friend who works for google who is going on a…
3) A friend who is moving to Santa Cruz just to be closer to surf while we are remote Yeah? I've lived in SF and Santa Cruz. The quality of surf in Santa Cruz is vastly better, but the crowds are intense and at times pretty angry. I found it was less about localism, more about the anger of a large number of often very talented surfers competing for a scarce resource. I got longer, better rides in SC than I typically…
Unrelated but it cracked me up... I do a bunch of outdoor stuff but really couldn't get into surfing (and downhill skiing) because you have to wait/jostle with people/paddle forever/wait some more until you finally get 1 minute of enjoyment (or more like 10 seconds when you are starting out with surfing). I thought it was the beginner problem because the places where I can be are so few, and I suck at catching waves... so if I only practiced it would all be long rides with minimal downtime. I figured I'd never get around to actually do it, and it turns out I didn't make a mistake :)
The worst you have to deal with in climbing is getting up super early so you could be the first on some popular route :)
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In my early 30s here. All my friends have left, and now we are doing so, too. You are right, IMO. Most of those friends are in tech and plan to move back eventually, but are hoping to score better deals on rent then. For now they live in the mountains and can do some fun solo activities for the next year. For us, we have wanted to leave for several years, but the ability to WFH for my wife actually makes it possible…
How are you able to make more local friends in a less dense location?
> How are you able to make more local friends in a less dense location?
Not the GP, but the social changes that happen with population density may make starting friendships more difficult (e.g. people adapting by being more standoffish than welcoming due to the sheer number of people they have to interact with in a dense environment).
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San Francisco is a very small city, but it is a city nonetheless which puts it on the list of places in the US where you can live (and I mean truly live ) without a car, even before the age of Uber/Lyft. (Unsurprisingly, the other places on that list are also cities.) Due to tech money and location, it occupies a weird place in the various lists of world's cities. It is just tiny a small city compared to other cities…
>where you can live (and I mean truly live) without a car Maybe. I do know a couple who live in SF who don't own a car but they sure use a lot of Ubers and do rentals. More generally, and I'm probably just showing personal bias, but for me living in SF without the ability to just hop in a car and go to mountains etc. seems like it would be cutting myself off from much of what makes SF more interesting than comparably…
I should have been more specific and said owning a car. It's more convenient to use a car in many situations and modern car rental places (Zipcar/Turo/Getaround), along with the traditional car rental companies, mean its easy to rent one for a few hours or a weekend. Depending on where in the city you live and how often to you go the mountains, the cost of car payment + parking + insurance may or may not be worth it compared to renting as needed.
It's not a personal bias when most Americans share the same bias. I've found Americans are only slightly weirder about their attachment to owning guns than owning a car, but far more Americans have this religious attachment to having a car.
The pandemic has even driven car sales, so it's entirely normal. https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Car-sales-surge...