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Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 9:38 AM UTC

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> Nightlife is horrible, bars pretty much close at 1am, hardly any live music, gender imbalance, and not much density so it often just feels "dead" in a lot of places As a southern Californian, I can attest to this. It's pathetic that our bars have last call at 2am (effectively many close at 1:30a). There's been push after push to get last-call to 4am like it is in NY but they never go anywhere in the state legislatu…

I think it's silly that they even close. What's the point? Can someone enlighten me on why bars and stuff close at 1am? Thanks!

In the UK they pushed for pubs to close much earlier. The effect was that people would start drinking earlier and more (at home), and binging because stuff closes earlier. TL;DR it backfired.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 9:39 AM UTC

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I'm not sure what you're comparing it to, SF is known to have a world-class food scene. There are multiple examples all of the things you listed(except maybe british but who wants that?), as well as things that you don't find in may other cities: burmese, cambodian, laotian, peruvian.

British people? I'd kill for a local place that regularly served Sunday roast with a Yorkshire pudding. There was one in my city for a while but sadly it was at the edge and they didn't sell enough to keep it up, as such roasts need to be prepared a long way in advance, so you had to pre-order. Always love to grab myself one when I'm in the UK though. Discovered the other day a restaurant that sells afternoon cream t…

I would very much like an English style pub that serves full English in the mornings. In the UK the price point is also very attractive; a meal that lasts you for most of the day for often less than 5 pounds.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 9:41 AM UTC

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i said what i noticed from my 3 weeks there over 2 trips, which was contrary to what op claimed. i presented my observations asking if they were not normal for sf. so you consider a sausage festival at every bar you go ok, but not enjoying that sausagefest is awful. i think i just solved a mystery of my own. not that there's anything wrong with that, just not something that appeals to most males.

Um, I go to bars to hang out with my friends while someone else makes tasty cocktails I'm too lazy to make for myself. News flash: most people who go to bars aren't there just to look at or hit on women. Yes, there are some who do, but that's not what bars are for.

It's one of many things happening in bars though. IMO it's another symptom of the lack of gender diversity in tech though.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by hhmc » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 9:45 AM UTC

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Okay, I'm gonna let you in on a shocking secret. Ready? Lean in close so this doesn't get out. Some people go to bars... to drink. Crazy, right? I know! But it's true, I swear. And it turns out San Francisco has -- well, at least pre-pandemic -- bars that make really good drinks. Smuggler's Cove is hands down one of the best tiki bars in the world. Rickhouse is a great (if crowded) new-deal whiskey bar, right around…

it's not about a pickup joint. when i go out, i enjoy women in the crowd. i know it's hard for you to understand with your large anime and mgtow collection, but men like to hang out with a good mix of women -for the company, not just the sex. heck, even my wife doesn't like a bar full of guys. and no one likes a saturday night hangout that closes at 1am. that's not a bar -that's a daycare. the drinks you described do…

Gay men certainly enjoy bars full of guys, which your wildly heteronormative claim seemed to forget.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by morceauxdebois » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 9:46 AM UTC

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Been a professional IT worker since 1999. Most of my sysadmin roles have always been on site with occasional remote work. Over the years, I've been able to swing working for a few weeks at a time while traveling abroad. Currently based in Los Angeles and my organization is allowing us to work remote. Looking to just move abroad to Ukraine and lower my costs of living while immersing myself into a new culture and esca…

You don't think you'll find discord in Ukraine, the country in a cold civil war?

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Talanes » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 9:51 AM UTC

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> Vehicle vandalism is extremely common and unchecked by police. I believe the problem is more nuanced. I spoke with a retired police officer, and he said, "we can only give them a citation, and they [the vandals] know that, that they're gonna be out the same day." In other words, the law is the problem, not the police.

If the same people were smashing the windows at Starbucks or Walgreens each day, the police response would suddenly be totally different. The police prioritize protecting the property rights of large landowners, first and always. Don’t buy their excuses.

People brazenly come into my Starbucks all the time and openly announce they are shoplifting, because they know that the police won't show up to take a report for at least an hour.

Once we do have the report, even if they do get caught, nothing happens. Many months of reports and multiple trips to the courthouse and we can MAYBE get a stay away order. Usually before that point, the store management has shuffled around enough that the person handling the legal legwork has moved on.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Talanes » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 10:05 AM UTC

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> right between those two neighborhoods So, in the tenderloin? Suddenly not a great deal.

Not quite the Tenderloin. It’s technically Civic Center. Yes, there’s plenty of homeless around, but that’s just SF, right?

You're literally in the worst of it.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by mav3rick » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 10:14 AM UTC

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Is this a shitpost? I honestly can't tell. You start off by saying you've only ever visited SF and then go on to make a load of generalisations as if you know SF like the back of your hand. Also this: > there are very few attractive girls at bars, or at offices, or even on the street, compared to just about anywhere in the world. and if that's not why you go to bars, i have to ask -you'd enjoy going to bars with most…

It sounded right to me.. I've visited SF about four times over the last few years - staying between one and three weeks each time.

Both of you don't know the city.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by mav3rick » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 10:16 AM UTC

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I’ve said it before, shame so many of you don’t appreciate SF. It’s not perfect but it’s so much better than where I grew up. To be able to go to Marin, Yosemite, Tahoe, Big Sur, etc. for a weekend is truly amazing. Granted I’m privileged I can go there and I’m not a night life person, it’s truly a dream for me. The city also has many pockets of nature that are huge (presidio, gg Park). I hope you find a place that m…

Been biking every day with mostly empty roads. Loving it. Especially GG park and Crissy Field.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by michaelt » Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 10:19 AM UTC

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Here's a short list to get you started: - Homeless issues. Mentally ill people pissing and defecating on the sidewalks in every significant public space. - Vehicle vandalism is extremely common and unchecked by police. - Extremely high income taxes with no perceivable difference in government-provided services. - Property tax law that advantages long-term owners over young people trying to buy at today's inflated pri…

Extremely high pre-COVID rents meant many adults were living in roommate situations that seem a lot less acceptable when your health is tied to the willingness of everyone in your unit to behave responsibly. Unless you're practically retired, this is not a real issue given the COVID mortality profile. The sort of people who have flatmates tend to be younger, so the idea that COVID means nobody can or should have flat…

If you could establish an impregnable firewall between young healthy people and vulnerable people, and you ignore the rare deaths of healthy young people and side-effects of infection, the infection rate among young healthy people would be less important.

But establishing an impregnable firewall is impossible, and long as the boundary between groups is porous, a higher infection rate among the young and healthy will increase the infection rate among the vulnerable, and hence the death rate.