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Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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In my experience, professors will generally exaggerate the usefulness of the classes they teach. I'm curious as to what things from IR you found useful and what actions it lead you to? I've seen many IR grads who went into it hoping to do some sort of international work or business, only to find that businesses didn't find what they were taught particularly valuable (and the people I met who were sent overseas for bu…

I cannot say it was any specific fact or technique I learned. I would say it gave me access to an additional mindset which my colleagues did not possess. It ended up being a powerful ‘soft’ asset in a transition to engineering management, by virtue of being the staffmember able to identify and resolve problems which originated in cultural and linguistic domains. One does not need IR training to (say) socially enginee…

So, anecdotally, my degree was in philosophy and math, but I now work as a programmer. Yes, semi-related, but coincidentally, really. And I think this is probably the case for you as well (at least, I would guess).

This forms what I think is the underlying thread here. For those that aren't as flexible and creative in applying their talents and education, most of these classes really do end up being useless, and for them, a waste of money in the long run.

If you're already capable, chances are that no matter your field of study, you're going to land somewhere that you can find a way to use your knowledge; but this really seems to me more a case of interest and driven/natural critical thinking skills than it is a reflection of the content of the classes. Those that apply themselves can find niches to sharpen their skills, whereas those opportunities aren't necessarily sought out by everyone.

So, in effect, while some individuals taking classes of any sort, even poorly taught, might have the fervor to find a path towards enrichment, not all students will have this experience. And this leads to the "basket weaving" degrees for others: subjects that, while not generally irrelevant a priori, are generally irrelevant for many experientially.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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"Many universities cannot." "Most" cannot.

I work as a professor at the University of South Carolina. I suspect that my employer, as well as similar universities, will be more-or-less okay. To be sure, there will be pain . Faculty hiring, for example, will take a huge hit -- I feel bad for everyone finishing up grad school and postdocs now, and who was anticipating hitting the academic job market. In addition, there might be layoffs of tenured faculty, and/or…

Definitely surprised to find another Gamecock on HN. I'm a recent grad myself - perhaps one of you students?

I'm curious: under what conditions do you think the threat to Carolina (and other similar regional flagship schools) becomes "existential"?

E.g. classes go online for the Fall semester sometime in Spring, with little hope of reopening the campus for Spring.

Forever to thee.

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Military will insulate you quite a lot from everything not military.

It can but it can also expose you to a lot of different cultures and experiences outside your comfort zones. Like anything else, it’s somewhat incumbent on the individual to engage those experiences.

You may he stationed away, but exposire to many cultures is likely a bit of stretch. It is exposure in very specific way. (If you are in navy, you have some free time to shop and drink once in few months.) Soldiers does not exactly have reputation for understanding tolerance for different cultures.

And it is not in your individual controll to engage with experiences or not. Being soldier is opposite of making individual choices. You do a lot in groups, group conformity and group cohesion are bug things, you get told what to do.

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Man, this is very tough. I think the problem is (and I very much hope I am wrong!) that an outbreak will occur and your university will still have the financial problems. And also some more sick and dead people. (All from a US perspective) There's been a crazy notion floating around from the start on this, that we can either keep our normal activities/economy (jobs, businesses, schools, etc) or deal with the pandemic…

Nope, even with 100% lockdown, it still spreads because we aren’t an island country. It even got to Auckland now, through freight! You can only delay the inevitable (unless a vaccine is developed in the next few months)

We don't know that it was from freight. In fact, it is still considered highly unlikely that it came in via freight.

Read about 'flattening the curve'.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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That’s sad, since that seems more flesh that fat to me. The real “fat” is the admin bloat at most universities. Most schools will continue to be in a precarious financial situation until that fat is cut, imho.

The fundamental problem is that music teachers tend to care about music, while administrators tend to care about protecting their own jobs. So any budget cuts tend to cut services, rather than reducing the overhead. This dynamic plays out everywhere with overgrown middle management.

Music teachers care about their jobs just as much as administrators. It's just that administrators make the big decisions and they care about their jobs more than the jobs of others.

Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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My experience has been that schools cave pretty fast in the face of media pressure. Edit: Especially if fueled by some notable event.

>My experience has been that schools cave pretty fast in the face of media pressure. Before now I would agree with you. From what has been reported schools in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma and Indiana are staying open after large outbreaks. These are elementary and high schools, so maybe it'll be different with universities. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/us/schools-quarantined-corona...

Universities have a brand to uphold and students go to them by choice versus lower education, so I could see there being a difference due to that.

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I know a number of students attending virtually in the fall who are renting near campus with their friends.

But isn't that worsening the problem? Going to a college town with friends is a recipe for community spread

The kids likely don’t care. Their age group is largely unharmed by coronavirus, so the option to be near their friends, partying, and not living at home is probably pretty appealing.

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It used to be the case that even if you took out massive student loans to attend elite schools, at least the in-person experience and networking opportunities would be worth it. Now you don’t even get that. You get some bullshit online instruction that is little more than a glorified MOOC, and when you finally graduate, you have to compete for remote jobs with people from all across the country, and get outbid by peo…

Networking doesn’t have to be in person. Facebook, twitter, linkedin, even hn work also. Facebook even started by facilitating intra college networking.

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In what world is a virus that is asymptomatic for 99.9% of the population a clear and present danger to our lives?

That's just not true. The CDC estimates that between 10% and 70% of of cases are asymptomatic with a best estimate of 40%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena... As we saw in Italy and New York, COVID-19 has the potential to overwhelm hospitals. Officially, almost 170,000 Americans have died. NYTimes estimates that COVID-19 already caused over 200,000 deaths by comparing against the expected…

You're leaving out that most people have mild symptoms. That is dishonest.

That is not a lot of deaths. There are over 600,000 deaths from heart disease every year.

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In what world is a virus that is asymptomatic for 99.9% of the population a clear and present danger to our lives?

Yeah, you need to stop spreading misinformation. This doesn't look like a "99.9% asymptomatic" virus: https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386... And that's one of the MOST conservative media outlets in the world.

Most people have mild symptoms. You're leaving that out and being dishonest.
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