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Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by shard »

grecy wrote: post #260
netcan wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat different take. The student debt problem is not really related to the college format. The format existed in earlier decades, exists in other countries and exists in K-12 education without runaway costs and student debt. It's mostly a matter of policy. The US' method to expand third level education to most of the population was by government backed and/or subsidized loans, without price controls. This caused…

> The student debt problem is not really related to the college format. The format existed in earlier decades, exists in other countries In what OECD countries do students go into crippling debt for their tertiary education? There are only two that I know of, one of which being the USA.

Well don't leave us hanging, what's the other one?

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Post by rosstex »

celnardur wrote: post #99

I feel like I can offer a unique perspective on this because I go to Notre Dame and we are just finishing the first week of classes with everyone back on campus. It's gone alright so far. All the cases so far have been traced back to off campus bars or parties. However, I expect it to get worse soon as cases start spreading on campus. If you want to see how Notre Dame is doing with cases and testing we have a dashboa…

That curve ain't flattening

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Post by laretluval »

baron_harkonnen wrote: post #214
eric4smith wrote: post #12

I firmly think there is a sea change going on from standard “college” degrees to more practical training that will be a mix of apprenticeship and solid training like air/vac, electricians and online skills, since the vast majority of jobs don’t really need a college degree. This has actually begun already at the high school level. Once again I believe net/net the beer virus will be positive for America in the long ru…

> so-called useless degrees. Yea no more pesky English majors and philosophy students who bring up all sorts of annoying questions about the power structures that create our society. Can't we just stop thinking about stuff and get back to work! I'm also hoping that CS will be transformed into something more useful, thinking about complexity theory is a waste of time (outside of helping us make good white boarding que…

Goebbels had a literature PhD and became the Reichsminister of Propaganda. Humanities education does not guarantee a moral outlook.

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Post by joubert »

eric4smith wrote: post #12

I firmly think there is a sea change going on from standard “college” degrees to more practical training that will be a mix of apprenticeship and solid training like air/vac, electricians and online skills, since the vast majority of jobs don’t really need a college degree. This has actually begun already at the high school level. Once again I believe net/net the beer virus will be positive for America in the long ru…

> Just think of it! In a few months we are completely re-examining the utility of taking out a student loan that many cannot pay back in their working lifetimes.

I think it astounding how we humans are swayed in the information/meme/idea wind.

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Post by erichocean »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #116
ls612 wrote: post #113

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For the whole school year? Or for a couple weeks at the peak of the outbreak?

Not for the whole school year, no.

They didn't have Zoom either, so we don't know what they would have done if remote learning had been possible.

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Post by boridu »

celnardur wrote: post #99

I feel like I can offer a unique perspective on this because I go to Notre Dame and we are just finishing the first week of classes with everyone back on campus. It's gone alright so far. All the cases so far have been traced back to off campus bars or parties. However, I expect it to get worse soon as cases start spreading on campus. If you want to see how Notre Dame is doing with cases and testing we have a dashboa…

25% positive test rate is terrible!

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Post by [deleted] »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #381
jmull wrote: post #176

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Man, this is very tough. I think the problem is (and I very much hope I am wrong!) that an outbreak will occur and your university will still have the financial problems. And also some more sick and dead people. (All from a US perspective) There's been a crazy notion floating around from the start on this, that we can either keep our normal activities/economy (jobs, businesses, schools, etc) or deal with the pandemic…

Nope, even with 100% lockdown, it still spreads because we aren’t an island country. It even got to Auckland now, through freight! You can only delay the inevitable (unless a vaccine is developed in the next few months)

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Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus

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Post by jachee »

mxcrossb wrote: post #389
celnardur wrote: post #99

I feel like I can offer a unique perspective on this because I go to Notre Dame and we are just finishing the first week of classes with everyone back on campus. It's gone alright so far. All the cases so far have been traced back to off campus bars or parties. However, I expect it to get worse soon as cases start spreading on campus. If you want to see how Notre Dame is doing with cases and testing we have a dashboa…

This just points to the absurdity of the whole situation. I mean in what world should bars be open and universities closed? It’s a complete failure of priorities.

You're right.

The bars should be closed, too.

We should be spending the entire defense budget on paying for people to stay home, stay safe, and to get them what they need; as well as funding as much scientific research as feasible to fight this clear and present danger to our lives and livelihoods.

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Post by ollien »

vondur wrote: post #371
analog31 wrote: post #369

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I have two kids attending college this fall, one at the state "flagship" school, and the other at a regional college. Both are dead certain, as are their friends, that college will last a couple weeks, then they'll send everybody home. It will happen just in time for nobody to be prepared for it. The kids are all signing up for online classes whenever possible. My dental hygienist, whom I spoke to this week, has a da…

Honestly, if I were graduating and attending college this year, I'd just skip this semester, and possibly the year. Online education isn't the same, and most universities are ill prepared to offer online instruction at the same level as in class instruction.

I'm in my senior year of college. I seriously considered doing exactly what you're suggesting.

I would much rather just suck it up and enter the workforce at this point. I don't know what I'd do with myself for the year, and I don't have enough credits to speedrun my degree in the spring. There's also some conflicting information about if I would keep my financial aid. I haven't taken the time to dig into it, because at that point I decided it wasn't worth it.

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