College students have to be somewhere. They don't magically disappear when schools are closed. So this just means they will be getting infected and transmitting the virus in other places. How is that better?
Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
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> I would consider all of those “trades.” Well good luck communicating with other people because is not how anyone else anywhere uses the word ‘trade’. They’re not ‘trades’ they’re ‘professions’. And I would guess you already know this and you’re trying to be contrary rather than you’re genuinely misunderstanding a basic word.
The distinction is purely a classist one. But functionally speaking, going to nursing school (a trade school) and going to medical school (a professional school) are the same concept, but with one side rebranding themselves as to not be associated with the lower class variant of their work. You’re right there is a legitimate distinction, but maybe we should stop. It is 2020 and thinking you’re “better” than other peo…
Yes there's still some funny distinctions being made - like in the UK some apartments are advertised as 'professionals only' and only 'professionals, teachers, and police officers' are allowed to sign and witness some documents I believe for some reason.
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Yes of course there will be, any diseases could cause long term health conditions in some of population. Flu too can cause long term damage too. But does it justify lockdown ? closing down school ? No. Especially when its still unclear and lacking in stats. >why should we even have bothered eradicating polio? Because it doesn't require locking down significant part of the population...
I remain skeptical of lockdowns, but it was very common to close down schools in areas where polio was spreading.
For the whole school year? Or for a couple weeks at the peak of the outbreak?
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#114Let the college kids get sick. They are extremely unlikely to have any serious effects from covid. At least on a college campus they won’t infect older family members. Herd immunity on campus would be reached very quickly. The few with serious preexisting conditions can stay home until that happens. The level of fear is frankly ridiculous. People get sick and people die. One day, we will all die. That is the human co…
Do you have sources saying the fatality rate is capped at 1%?
nothing is capped during an ongoing pandemic but yeah given we're seeing around 40% asymptomatic, 1% seems about right if not a little on the high side.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...
Re: Stanford cancels plans to bring half of undergrads back to campus
#115College students have to be somewhere . They don't magically disappear when schools are closed. So this just means they will be getting infected and transmitting the virus in other places. How is that better?
Undergrads are usually required to live in dense, on campus housing. Even in normal times, campus dorms are a hotspot of disease transmission.
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I disagree about the college format going completely online. There is so much about the college experience that is not directly related to earning a degree. It's a place where most people are exposed to new ideas, new types of people. It's a place where lasting friendships and relationships are formed. It's a place of growth that an online experience could never hope to replicate, and that's the REAL benefit of colle…
Is college actually good at that sort of thing, or is it just better than staying at home? If I spent half my college tuition on networking, social clubs, conferences, hobby groups, etc, I bet I could do a lot better than I did at my college campus.
College takes a lot of the administrative burden off of that stuff - offering student groups funding, space to meet, administrative support, systems to adjudicate disputes, etc.
If you think about yourself at 18... how likely would you have been to seek out social clubs, conferences, or hobby groups on your own?
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I disagree about the college format going completely online. There is so much about the college experience that is not directly related to earning a degree. It's a place where most people are exposed to new ideas, new types of people. It's a place where lasting friendships and relationships are formed. It's a place of growth that an online experience could never hope to replicate, and that's the REAL benefit of colle…
>I know people who went to college, but lived at home with their parents "to save money". In reality, they didn't need to save the minimal room and board fees of a state school; they were mostly just cowards. 1. Anecdotal evidence that you know a few people that didn't grow up for whatever reason does not mean everyone is like that. 2. In most asian culture, people live with their parents for the entirety of life. So…
In most asian culture, people live with their parents for the entirety of life
As a non Asian (with an admittedly fictional Asian pseudonym) I happen to be a member of a Facebook group called Subtle Asian Traits. It’s an extremely popular group, largely made up of young high school to late-20s Asian-Americans (and expats living in other western countries). The most common and persistent theme is the tension between westernized Asian kids and their traditional parents. These kids are desperate to get away from this controlling influence. They find temporary relief and camaraderie by joking about how extremely strict their parents are.
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They are relatively unlikely to _die_ from COVID-19 (and please do not repeat the false claim that these are only “people already on the cusp of death” - the average victim is losing at least a decade of life based on actuarial data) but we know that there are a much greater percentage of people who will experience significant health problems, potentially with life-long impacts. Similarly, not everyone on or near cam…
I always hear "much greater percentage" type language when referring to long-term effects of COVID-19. Is there an actual number associated with this? Or is it more so guesswork
That's a good observation. I'll be on the lookout too now!
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#120Let the college kids get sick. They are extremely unlikely to have any serious effects from covid. At least on a college campus they won’t infect older family members. Herd immunity on campus would be reached very quickly. The few with serious preexisting conditions can stay home until that happens. The level of fear is frankly ridiculous. People get sick and people die. One day, we will all die. That is the human co…
The life expectancy of someone who is 75 is ~12 years [0]. Do we really want to argue that that decade of someone's life has no value because they're "on the cusp of death"?
A 1% mortality rate in the US (if everyone gets it) is 4 million people. The US fought the longest war in their history over 3000 deaths.
That all is ignoring permanent, non-fatal damage. There's reasonable evidence at this point that Covid infections do long-term damage, even to healthy people. I'm reasonably healthy and young, and neither my lungs nor my sense of smell have recovered fully since I had it in March. Are you really arguing to sacrifice the quality of life of millions of people at the altar of economic progress?