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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by TLightful »

hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

Agreed. Do you remember Jobs talked about computers being the bicycle of the mind ... ?

Not so much when you're slapping 30%, kicking back, and resting your feet up on the table.

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Post by yipbub »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #784
whiddershins wrote: post #484

All I want is a system preference that says ‘allow apps from other sources than the apple App Store.’ And I want that setting to work exactly as you imagine. And then everything else problematic about this debate would disappear.

If that system preference ever gets added I want Apple to continue selling a version of iPhone that doesn't have it, with no way to enable it and with a promise to never add it in a future update. I consider not being able to sideload software onto an iPhone to be an important feature! I like knowing that if someone malicious with moderate but not extraordinary technical ability gets ahold of my unlocked phone they a…

Good point, but maybe that setting could just require reauthentication?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by TLightful »

celticninja wrote: post #799
tommymachine wrote: post #768

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the 30% cut for the App Store. It provides them incentive to promote & sell apps, and make sure the App Store is a smooth experience for users, & a profitable one for developers. It’s certainly healthy, if on the high side. But I’d sure rather have a healthy app ecosystem than an unhealthy one. The problem with them experimenting with lowering the rate is once its lowered, imagine the fuss which would ensue if…

30% of subscriptions/coin purchases is too much. Possibly warranted for actual app sales due to the review process, but after the app is sold 30% of every subsequent payment is a protection racket.

10% is a normal'ish partner cut for providing a platform for others to transact on (ignoring money transfers services).

30% is laughable, long term.

Not even a "one more thing" cut to 29%, lol, ever!

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by mojuba »

hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

> We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on.

Sure, the App Store and its services however are not the user's property.

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Post by blackoil »

pfranz wrote: post #496
danShumway wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the ability to sideload apps force you to install apps outside of the Apple store? I'm not forced to use FDroid just because I have an Android phone. People aren't arguing that the app store should go away, just that consumers should have a choice. As an analogy, if I want OEM care for my car, I can get that. It's more expensive, but it offers me strict guarantees about where parts are coming from, and I do…

Just look at the PC platform Epic is coming from. It used to be just buying retail boxes, then Steam came along. Now it's Steam, Epic, Origin, Uplay. Personally, I hate keeping track of the separate apps and which games were purchased with each. So I avoid most of them even for games I want to play. Its one of the things that makes me prefer consoles. The current situation seems more anti-business than anti-consumer…

Would you want same in real world also ? Walmart and Costco stores where the company decides what things are best for customer's experience. If you don't want it you can always leave and go to other companies town.

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Post by camhart »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #577

I'm all in for the support of 3rd party Appstores like FDroid on iOS and its inevitable to not compare Android ecosystem support for that. But, situation is not that comfy with ChromeOS. If we need to side-load an .apk, we have to enable developer mode (which means powerwash) thereby Google explicitly making it an Anti-feature. Interestingly, android 10 on mobile allows direct install/update from FDroid making it no…

Sideloading ipa's on iOS require sideloading every 7 days. And doesn't it require a computer to do it?

On android sideloading is much easier, though still not as easy as GPS.

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Post by fastball »

mojuba wrote: post #804
hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

> We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. Sure, the App Store and its services however are not the user's property.

Right, but Apple prohibits the installation of apps that are not from their app store.

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Post by tidenly »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #389

One of the biggest hurdles in trying to take antitrust action against Apple, I suspect, will be in proving that App Store policies cause harm to consumers rather than developers. There seem to be HN-favored narratives of "iOS users would rise up against the walled garden if they only understood" and "iOS users are too stupid and sheeplike to understand and rise up," but there is a more prosaic narrative of "iOS users…

While I'll partly concede that to you - it also is literally the case that Spotify couldn't drop to match Apple Music's prices exactly because or this 30% cut.

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Post by imtringued »

asien wrote: post #690
binthere wrote: post #654

Simple question to whoever is honestly defending Apple: What if Windows prevented people from installing anything on their computer except from the Microsoft Store. Then Microsoft forced every app to use their payment system and then charged an excessive 30% fee for each transaction. Would you think that's an abusive and illegal practice?

Thats already the case , it’s Windows S. But you have the choice between regular Windows and Locked down version.

Not on ARM. There you only have a choice between Microsoft store apps or emulated x86 applications. You're not going to use Firefox on Windows on ARM unless you download the x86 version which will perform very poorly.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by vogre »

hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

>Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable.

What makes you think that 3% cut is enough?

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