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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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jacobsenscott wrote: post #575
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

I truly believe apple pays people to comb through HN and down vote any comment critical of apple. The simple fact is that apple has done more than any other company in the history of computing to quash the freedom to control your own computing devices. It is impossible to fight apple in the way we fought microsoft years ago - by building out a good opensource ecosystem. The entire reason for the app store is to stop…

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by heavyset_go »

spanhandler wrote: post #601
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

> Fuck your security and fuck your walled gardens. Sigh. I guess we're going to remove a product category (the relatively safe, very consistent, managed platform you can use when you just want to use a computer and not also manage a computer ) and call that consumer choice, then? I'd prefer instead that more companies make something similarly-nice and compete with Apple. I have lots and lots of options I can use if I…

> When I don't want to worry about that crap I use iOS

This is a false dichotomy. You still need to worry about that. Exploits for iOS are cheaper than exploits for Android[1], because exploits for iOS are so abundant[2].

[1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/for-t...

[2] https://www.securityweek.com/zerodium-expects-ios-exploit-pr...

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by rollulus »

throw6969420 wrote: post #640
jacobsenscott wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I truly believe apple pays people to comb through HN and down vote any comment critical of apple. The simple fact is that apple has done more than any other company in the history of computing to quash the freedom to control your own computing devices. It is impossible to fight apple in the way we fought microsoft years ago - by building out a good opensource ecosystem. The entire reason for the app store is to stop…

I’m paid to be here, but not by Apple, that I’m aware of anyway. There is no way to stop it. Even tying a LinkedIn profile requirement like someone else mentioned isn’t an option. I’ve got thousands of accounts active on most social media platforms and discussion-based sites. Puppeteer + mobile proxies makes this simple these days and completely undetectable. I’m posting it from a setup now!

That sounds like you have a story to share. Feel like elaborating a bit?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by binthere »

Simple question to whoever is honestly defending Apple: What if Windows prevented people from installing anything on their computer except from the Microsoft Store. Then Microsoft forced every app to use their payment system and then charged an excessive 30% fee for each transaction. Would you think that's an abusive and illegal practice?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by heavyset_go »

mvn9 wrote: post #629
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

No, we shouldn't have had an alternative app store on iphones. Apple doesn't have a monopoly. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy an iphone to get online and make calls. If you start a company, and you have 50% market share [1], do you want to be treated like a monopoly? In a free market, Apple should be allowed to operate however they see fit, as long as they don't have a monopoly. Of course it is annoying that they ca…

Via the FTC[0]:

> Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power.

[0] https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-a...

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by throwaway_2047 »

dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #623
throwaway6000 wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Apple establishes rules that EVERY app publisher follows for YEARS. 2. Fortnite doesn't follow rule. 3. Apple kicks Fortnite out of the App store. What were they expecting?

1. Pharaoh says everybody who speaks against the royal family has their tongue cut out. 2. Seth says there should be less taxes as the pharaoh is too rich. 3. He gets his tongue cut out. What did he expect? Unfair rules should not always be followed.

Well, Pharaoh is Pharaoh because they born to be Apple is Apple because Apple earned it.

Not disagreeing your point though

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by PakG1 »

throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

Epic being big is possibly the only reason why they had the balls to pull the trigger on this whole thing. Can't imagine indies doing it, not enough money and power. Gotta take fights you can handle.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by Razengan »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #575
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

I truly believe apple pays people to comb through HN and down vote any comment critical of apple. The simple fact is that apple has done more than any other company in the history of computing to quash the freedom to control your own computing devices. It is impossible to fight apple in the way we fought microsoft years ago - by building out a good opensource ecosystem. The entire reason for the app store is to stop…

> I truly believe apple pays people to comb through HN and down vote any comment critical of apple.

Incidentally, Samsung has actually been caught and taken to court for manipulating social media:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Samsung+paid+students+for+re...

People can defend a company on their own, because they love their products and agree with their policies.

> in the way we fought microsoft years ago

Because Apple helped us fight Microsoft.

People loved Apple almost unanimously on the internet. They were the underdog, the messiah to save us from the bullshit of Big Corp. You won't find much Apple-negging from the era before Samsung started their smear campaign to make themselves relevant by going up against the tall poppy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

Which of course is a chain. It used to be IBM, then Microsoft, now it's Apple (after a long campaign [0] starting with 1984 and continuing with the famous "I'm a Mac"), and so other companies are trying to poise themselves as the underdog to win fans.

[0] https://i.imgur.com/9RmlhJK.jpg

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by grey-area »

spanhandler wrote: post #601
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

> Fuck your security and fuck your walled gardens. Sigh. I guess we're going to remove a product category (the relatively safe, very consistent, managed platform you can use when you just want to use a computer and not also manage a computer ) and call that consumer choice, then? I'd prefer instead that more companies make something similarly-nice and compete with Apple. I have lots and lots of options I can use if I…

> Sigh. I guess we're going to remove a product category (the relatively safe, very consistent, managed platform you can use when you just want to use a computer and not also manage a computer) and call that consumer choice, then?

Here's a better suggestion:

Stop Apple abusing their platform to force their customers to use their own book store by making others impractical.

Stop Apple abusing their monopoly to force their customers to use one browser.

Stop Apple abusing their monopoly to gouge everyone that wants to be on their platform with a 30% fee on every transaction (10% would be more reasonable, 3% a bare minimum to cover costs).

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by mindentropy »

staunch wrote: post #563
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

These people must also have no idea what Tim Sweeney (Epic founder) is like as a person. This guy is a genius programmer that never sought great wealth for its own sake but happened upon it through creating huge amounts of value and happiness in the world. He's someone who has been preserving wilderness by buying up large swaths of land to keep it safe. He's a good and principled person. He's NOT a money-grubbing two…

Good that you mentioned Tim Sweeney. He is someone I look upto because his work does a lot of talking. Fantastic programmer.

I really wish the old world game engine programmers unite and support him such as Carmack, Romero etc.

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