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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by mobilemidget »

rottingfruit wrote: post #752
mobilemidget wrote: post #745

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afaik google kicked them out of the store too. https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/8/13/21368079/for...

The reason I, and I assume many others, have less of a problem with that is that you can fairly easily still download and play fortnite without the Play Store. As far as I know that’s not an option on iOS outside of jailbreaking your phone.

It's App Store policy and payment handling within apps, not so much about being to install it. I don't like to see trillion new payment providers, I also don't like to see monopolies. It's a very long and big discussion.

But I do wonder, can and _would_ you do payments in a non store app with their own payment provider? E.g. the fortnite you have downloaded and installed outside of the play store?

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Post by cookieswumchorr »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #744
hrktb wrote: post #728

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> It is the user's property from then on I guess that's what's going to change more and more in our future. Just like apps/programs, movies, books, music tracks were our properties.

Most people already lease phones, to them it wouldn't be that big of a change to just say you can only rent them

care to bring in some statistics? In what part of the world? I havent't found numbers, and my anecdotal experience is opposite

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Post by weixiyen »

sealthedeal wrote: post #542
ccktlmazeltov wrote: post #540

I'm tired of this kind of bullshit. I can't buy books on the kindle app, I can't play Apple music on my google mini, I can't install the PAX app for my vape on iOS, and now that. Yet there isn't enough abuse from Apple to make us switch to another platform. Without regulation this situation will never be fixed.

regulation is not the answer. The market aka the consumer will solve this on its own.

regulation is what allows consumers the opportunity to make decisions for themselves.

otherwise, we'd all still be using internet explorer

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Post by tommymachine »

mapgrep wrote: post #198

You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate. But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business…

Customers do have the right to install whatever they want. Apple just doesn’t have to facilitate making it super easy for them to do that if they don’t think it contributes to the health of the platform & their business model.

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Post by imtringued »

mhh__ wrote: post #665
eanzenberg wrote: post #647

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Don’t force shit onto every Apple user. One app store is for security and privacy. Apple curates and that costs money. I don’t want my and my families and friend’s ios devices turning into the pile of hot garbage android devices. If you don’t like it, leave! Or make your own device to sell!

> or make your own device to sell Bordering on bad faith.

When you buy an Apple device you are supporting Apple and their restrictive platform. Why on earth would you buy an Apple device if you disagree with that?

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Post by imtringued »

throwaway140820 wrote: post #560
popeathlete wrote: post #553

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Epic is no better. Trading one owner for another makes no difference in the best case. It's either free and open source and user-focused or nothing.

So if Epic wins, will Epic be able to stop other stores from coming up? In what scenario do you see US (you, me, we) winning? The one where Epic loses or one where it wins?

Well, Epic pulls games from other stores and they make exclusive deals, so yes, they actually can stop other stores from coming up through indirect means.

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Post by adrianh »

tommymachine wrote: post #768
hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

I like the 30% cut for the App Store. It provides them incentive to promote & sell apps, and make sure the App Store is a smooth experience for users, & a profitable one for developers. It’s certainly healthy, if on the high side. But I’d sure rather have a healthy app ecosystem than an unhealthy one. The problem with them experimenting with lowering the rate is once its lowered, imagine the fuss which would ensue if…

They already have an incentive to promote and sell apps: if the ecosystem has more/better apps, then more people will want to buy an iPhone/iPad.

They've explicitly stated this in their marketing: "There's an app for that."

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Post by weixiyen »

blobbers wrote: post #709

This was probably a bad move given this whole monopoly inquiry. I'm going to guess Tim Cook may fire someone over this if he wasn't directly involved.

they have to do this though or risk setting a precedent for how they run their entire services business.

Apple is stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place, and the only way out is to win multiple legal battles.

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Post by czzr »

jamesblonde wrote: post #723
czzr wrote: post #712

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You want to shut down someone making, in your words, “cogent arguments”, because you disagree with their point of view and because other people seem to agree with them?

Cogent arguments is not the point. In school, we were trained to debate - take both sides of the argument. I could easily write more cogent points in favor of Apple. The point is - what motivation would somebody have to create an account 16 days ago and post like crazy on everything anti open-source and with the aid of voting rings, get up to 700+ karma? This was not done for some pseudonymous reason. He's being paid…

It’s the internet - people invest time in all sorts of things, arguing their beliefs high among them.

I’ve now read the actual comments - frankly whether you agree with them or not they seem perfectly reasonable arguments to consider and I think the discussion is better if people wrestle with both sides of the debate.

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