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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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I think the western world hoped China would open up over the past 20 years.. unfortunately that strategy has become a spectacular failure

Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

Trump has only been in power for a few years, so it’s really nothing to do with him. There are enough things we can legitimately lay at his door without making stretches like that.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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It’s pretty ironic that apple just removed fortnite for for doing this same thing. Shouldn’t this mean that google pulls Apple Music from the play store now? Edit: seems google is ok with this

It is explicitly stated in google policy that you can use direct credit card payment for music.

A) the same information has been already posted in many comments on this thread. No need to shill like this.

B) that's not even the point. It's not about the rules but about Apple's hypocrisy, since in this case they don't care about all the values they used as excuse to prevent other devs from doing on the app store what Apple is doing on the play store.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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post #78

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I think the western world hoped China would open up over the past 20 years.. unfortunately that strategy has become a spectacular failure

Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

Yes, I dislike and disagree with him but it's ridiculous how everything is automatically his fault and a wrong position just because Trump supported it.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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post #78

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I think the western world hoped China would open up over the past 20 years.. unfortunately that strategy has become a spectacular failure

Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

It seems to me that failure and a real reversal of the course China was on started from 2012 when Xi got power, so yes. Could have happened anyways of course but the change was drastic and clear from that point on.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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I would argue the reverse. I have a HomePod and not an alexa or Google device because Apple has shown it cares about privacy. That's user-centric. Sure, we could be incredibly cynical in saying that "well because you buy it then it is actually Apple-centric", but they clearly care about privacy. Google to me is entirely Google-centric, which means harvesting as much data about me as possible to sell to advertisers. I…

> I'm fine with Apple's walled garden. Are you fine with paying Apple 30% of the cost of any application that you buy? It's not the developers that are paying this cost -- this is what you are paying to Apple for each app. That $25 app is costing you $7.50 that goes straight to Apple. All that money adds up fast. Even if you are good with that, I think you imagine that a lot of users -- even those who might be happy…

They can then leave the walled garden and buy cheaper apps on android and if they are satisfied with that, good for them. I absolutely relish Apple’s walled garden, not just for me, but for my aged parents and aunts whom I help with their devices. Barely any UI differences, security for inept or careless users. And I know that the UI will move at a glacial pace, which is a feature for that demographics.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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> but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expense of their customers Apple has done a lot to curtail scummy developer practices and protect users. You could go over each of their App Store policies and see how few of them are "at the expense of their customers." Not the least are their privacy and anti-tracking protections. iOS 14 already caught many apps (including Discord and Instagram) stealing our clipboard data and se…

> iOS 14 already caught many apps (including Discord and Instagram) stealing our clipboard data and secretly accessing camera, mic and location. Not really, this has just been a PR exercise that I'm watching with fascination - the real news is that they've shifted focus away from their own shortcomings. The real news here is that iOs14 allows unrestricted clipboard access. Think about that for a moment. Instead of ac…

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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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The usual discussion on this topic goes like this: Apple defenders - It is their right to do it, since Android store allows them. Others - Apple is being a hypocrite. While they maintain that app store must be compensated for all the services they do to developers, When given a chance they do not agree with their above statement. I feel w.r.t app stores, Google is User-centric, but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expen…

I would argue the reverse. I have a HomePod and not an alexa or Google device because Apple has shown it cares about privacy. That's user-centric. Sure, we could be incredibly cynical in saying that "well because you buy it then it is actually Apple-centric", but they clearly care about privacy. Google to me is entirely Google-centric, which means harvesting as much data about me as possible to sell to advertisers. I…

Don't forget that Apple is a multinational megacorp, and is user centric only when it suits them. Consider Tim Cook speaking at the conference used by the Chinese government to promote internet regulation, saying that the vision of the conference is one that Apple shares, and also the handing over of user data to Chinese servers (encrypted, but still out of their control).

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Google Play Store and the Apple App Store can’t be compared in this way, because they provide completely different services. The Apple App Store review process is far more thorough, and expensive to operate. Apple also invest more into ensuring the privacy and security objectives they have for the App Store are met by way of OS development. It’s not surprising that Google prices some services differently, and Apple i…

> they provide completely different services there's only so much difference there can be between two app stores; if they were completely different, one wouldn't be an app store

> there's only so much difference there can be between two app stores

Yes, which is why I mentioned what those differences were in my comment.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Very interesting comment. The statement was written with the lens of very different goals (corporations maximize profit within the context of selling goods and services where governments - usually, serve the people sufficiently to maintain control & power over its people by being “great leaders”). Corporations usually sell goods and services, but do not have control over individuals most fundamental rights including…

> Corporations usually sell goods and services, but do not have control over individuals most fundamental rights including those of freedom, health or even life - like governments often do. And yet in the U.S., your health care and pension is often tied to your employment at a corporation. For some people, for example those on work visa, having employment in a particular corporation is tied to living in the same coun…

> I can freely criticize the government but criticizing the corporation is often difficult.

What do you mean by this?

Google is a smoking pile of dumpster fires filled with turds.

Should I now expect Google agents to come to my house and disappear my family and I?

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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post #78

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I think the western world hoped China would open up over the past 20 years.. unfortunately that strategy has become a spectacular failure

Would it have been such a failure without the election of Trump?

Yes. China didn't change its behaviour toward more openness before Trump. Trump forced the conflict about this into the open in his usual charming way. But there was no opening process that Trump interrupted.
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