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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by mutecipher »

ace_of_spades wrote: post #316
mapgrep wrote: post #198

You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate. But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business…

Let‘s take the example of an autonomous car. Would you also argue that you have the right to run any software on it? Looking a bit further down the line toward a society with more prevalent and powerful AI there will need to be some kind of certification that the software you are running is safe. It will be almost impossible to enforce this without the help of device manufacturers who will be mandated to only run saf…

Apple already has a similar practice in place for desktop apps with Notarization, does it not?

I don’t see how we can’t get to a point where we have something similar for iOS. They can limit the APIs they have access to and the User has the choice.

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Post by acomjean »

java-man wrote: post #60
jeffrallen wrote: post #51

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Wonder if that false message could get them in trouble with consumer rights laws?

I hope it does. Monopolies lead to stagnation, rising prices, and inferior product quality. Even though Apple is not a monopoly in the strict sense, I think we consumers will benefit from alternative app store - or Apple opening up the platform. I believe one can still have (moderately) secure ecosystem without it being a walled garden.

Its very deceptive. All those kids who have had their game shut off aren't going to be happy, but they're learning a valuable lesson.

Fortnite isn't just a game anymore, its where a lot of kids are hanging out. concerts, movies and other things are happening there.

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Post by NoPicklez »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #483
monadic2 wrote: post #462

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It stopped being Big Brother's platform when they sold their first phone to a consumer.

Except it didn't. People wish that this was true, for lots of freedom related reasons. But it's not. The proof is pretty clear in the situation we're seeing now; if you actually controlled your iPhone, you and Epic could decide not to involve Apple. You cannot do that.

Well how do you define how much control is enough? You can still download Fortnite and put it on your device, just through the app store.

If every Tom, Dick and Harry could setup an app store for the iPhone, this doesn't necessarily give me more control. It might mean I am then forced to use the Epic platform for all Epic related products. Now how do I know that Epic have appropriately vetted their application? What if they start producing applications for the iPhone which are terrible?

This is a big problem on the Google store whereby plenty of the apps are rubbish.

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Post by ehnto »

jsjohnst wrote: post #472
dgrin91 wrote: post #368

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Epic stated that they want to create their own separate app store outside of apple, but are unable to because apple does not allow sideloading. So no, Epic doesn't want to run on Big Brother's platform.

> Epic stated that they want to create their own separate app store outside of apple, but are unable to because apple does not allow sideloading. That argument would ring less hollow had they done that on the platform that does allow side loading, but they eventually published on the Google Play store.

Epic has a platform on PC, I imagine they just see the writing on the wall for phone app stores and held off.

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Post by 0xy »

ulfw wrote: post #491
andreasley wrote: post #56

Epic Games has filed a lawsuit [1] and published a Fortnite-themed parody of Apple's "1984" [2] to get some publicity for it. [1] https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/apple-complaint-734589783.pdf [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euiSHuaw6Q4

A PR stunt from Epic and everyone's falling for it.

A PR stunt that consumers and small businesses could benefit from. 30% decimates indie studios and makes some apps fiscally nonviable.

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Post by Terretta »

dannyw wrote: post #375
Terretta wrote: post #356

> “Apple, Google, and Android manufacturers make vast, vast profits from the sale of their devices and do not in any way justify the 30 percent cut.” > Epic launched a game store on PC in which it takes only 12 percent of revenue as a way to try to encourage a similar change in competitor Valve’s Steam marketplace. "Do not in any way"? Well, in at least 12% of a way, right, Epic? And Apple, after acquiring you a new…

The 15% only applies to subscriptions after 1 year and would never apply to something like the sale of V-bucks which is transactional. For subscriptions, everyone knows the majority of revenue happen in the first year due to churn.

> v-bucks

I also find it satisfying that Epic gets so bent about “value” of App Store or Play Store taking 30% shipping and handling fee on ... virtual expendables.

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Post by eckza »

dmix wrote: post #495
ulfw wrote: post #491

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A PR stunt from Epic and everyone's falling for it.

My favourite is trying to spin two billion dollar companies fighting over percentages as some “big brother” battle. I don’t remember this part of 1984.

We've always been fighting against Eastasia.

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

cjaybo wrote: post #377
dgrin91 wrote: post #368

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Epic stated that they want to create their own separate app store outside of apple, but are unable to because apple does not allow sideloading. So no, Epic doesn't want to run on Big Brother's platform.

iOS is the platform in the parent's analogy, not the app store.

iPhone is the platform too! All the investments apple make in custom silicon and hardware are a big part of it.

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Post by tommymachine »

0xy wrote: post #505
ulfw wrote: post #491

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A PR stunt from Epic and everyone's falling for it.

A PR stunt that consumers and small businesses could benefit from. 30% decimates indie studios and makes some apps fiscally nonviable.

You’re kidding right? You think this is going to make a difference in the cut?

The word you’re looking for by the way is “financially”. Fiscally is to do with taxes.

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Post by briandear »

0xy wrote: post #505
ulfw wrote: post #491

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A PR stunt from Epic and everyone's falling for it.

A PR stunt that consumers and small businesses could benefit from. 30% decimates indie studios and makes some apps fiscally nonviable.

Has it decimated an indie studio? Just curious as to what studios have been decimated.
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