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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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If I go to the App Store on my phone, and go to my "Purchased" list, Fortnite is still listed there. I wasn't up to date, and clicking on "update" gives the message: "Fortnite" No Longer Available. The developer has removed this app from the App Store. Interesting wording. I wonder if they only have one message for pulled-by-Apple vs pulled-by-dev?

Wonder if that false message could get them in trouble with consumer rights laws?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.

Valve is anticipating such move in a near future and investing in gaming on Linux.

AFAIK Valve already tried the whole Linux as a gaming platform thing and gave up completely a few months ago.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

#53

What happened to the days where everyone controlled their own domains/IP addresses/servers? Why would anyone want to risk being deplatformed? I trust ICANN more than I trust Apple and ${CLOUD_PROVIDER}

> What happened to the days where everyone controlled their own domains/IP addresses/servers?

Yeah in those days 99.9% of the world didn't use it.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Plenty of people have no idea what they are getting into when they buy Apple devices as a status symbol.

Please. Whatever strawman you are trying to construct is missing the point. I do not buy Apple products as a status symbol. I buy them because they work . I won't even say the products are good, there are a lot of things I'd like to see change. But they are the best thing on the market for getting my work done. My laptop and phone are my hammer and workbench. The iPhone and MacBook are far and away the best product f…

I never said all Apple users don't know what they are getting into. There must be other users who want Apple to have full control over its devices. If it works great for them then there's no issue.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I mean, couldn't we just replace Microsoft->Sony and PC->Playstation and the argument falls apart a bit? > Imagine if Sony did this on Playstation. a) prohibiting the installation of non-PlayStation games and b) insisting that all purchases done via their store give them a 30% cut. Many platforms are like this -- and many also have the majority marketshare. Is this a call to redefine what platforms can and cannot con…

There is a distinction between a general purpose computing device and a gaming console. I depend on my computer for important aspects of my life, not just entertainment. I perceive capricious behaviour like this ad a threat to my liberty and well-being.

"There is a distinction between a general purpose computing device and a gaming console." Whats the distinction? gaming console use x86 now. is it the keyboard support? the gpu ?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I don't think this should be regulated at all. Apple should be able to impose their rules in their systems. Let's be clear about this, if people are choosing to buy these black-box closed handheld computing devices, there are consequences that come with that choice.

Apple is more than welcome to put whatever rules they want on their systems. My phone is not their system though, it’s mine! If I want to run tmux/fetchmail/ocamlc on it then it’s my problem not theirs!

I'm sure if you install some version of Linux in your iPhone you can do whatever you want. But you're probably using iOS.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I disagree. The model makes sense for a console, as it's a very specialized device. A smartphone or a tablet are much closer to a general computing device. How many times has Apple said the iPad is a laptop replacement?

I disagree it makes sense on a console. Phones can be used to: -communicate -consume media -browse the web -play games Consoles can be used to: -play games -consume media -browse the web -communicate I fail to see the difference to be honest.

A laptop can be used to:

-play games

-consume media

-browse the web

-communicate

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Even worse. Imagine if the World Wide Web was not open and you had to go through a closed WWW like AOL and websites were "under review" by the providers and would take a 30% cut of your revenues or clicks on your web app or subscription service and websites require going only through that provider. Thank goodness that wasn't the case.

That's a little silly as an example because AOL was exactly like this back in the day and had curated channels. You could still access external sites if AOL was your ISP as well but anything inside of the AOL application was reviewed by AOL. Also, the web is not even a great analogy period since it wasn't created by a private company. Apple created their phones, their App Store, they maintain it, and they provide the…

Hence the word 'Imagine', I guess GP mean't walled garden but that's the point. Also, GP didn't say anything about the internet.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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If I go to the App Store on my phone, and go to my "Purchased" list, Fortnite is still listed there. I wasn't up to date, and clicking on "update" gives the message: "Fortnite" No Longer Available. The developer has removed this app from the App Store. Interesting wording. I wonder if they only have one message for pulled-by-Apple vs pulled-by-dev?

Wonder if that false message could get them in trouble with consumer rights laws?

I hope it does.

Monopolies lead to stagnation, rising prices, and inferior product quality. Even though Apple is not a monopoly in the strict sense, I think we consumers will benefit from alternative app store - or Apple opening up the platform.

I believe one can still have (moderately) secure ecosystem without it being a walled garden.

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