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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by Ericson2314 »

mozman wrote: post #195
causality0 wrote: post #167

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They're paying their devs 200-400 grand a year? Jesus.

I was laid off and had 10 years of tenure. Salary, bonus, and benefits amounted to a TC of around 300 Mozilla’s layoffs were to get rid of the highly paid engineers, IMO. We have new talent coming in fresh and loose for a bunch less. We also have a lot of cash in the bank. Mozilla is wealthy. CFO was asked to increase runway.

That makes sense (as explanation, not necessarily justification). In general, this remote era is a "great" way to push dev salaries down, even for organizations that were already decently remote like Mozilla.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

Teckla wrote: post #60
signal11 wrote: post #7

Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. I wish you well for the future and hope you find a new gig soon.

Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. Gutting the Servo team makes me wonder if management is going to move the rendering engine from Gecko to Blink. Perhaps the "Foxium" browser is "coming soon."

That's the death of Firefox.

What would "Foxium" offer that Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, Chromium, or Chrome don't already offer?

I don't think your speculation is unfounded though.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by dragonwriter »

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #312
Teckla wrote: post #60

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Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. Gutting the Servo team makes me wonder if management is going to move the rendering engine from Gecko to Blink. Perhaps the "Foxium" browser is "coming soon."

That's the death of Firefox. What would "Foxium" offer that Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, Chromium, or Chrome don't already offer? I don't think your speculation is unfounded though.

> What would "Foxium" offer that Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, Chromium, or Chrome don't already offer?

More ability, at any given cost, to innovate on candidate new web technologies maintaining Mozilla’s objectives to promote the open internet, acheived through lower cost to implement and maintain consensus technologies.

Which is similar to what other Chromium-descended third-party browsers offer their sponsoring entities, but each sponsoring entity has different objectives. Everyone benefits from the ability a common open-source core provided to distribute (or just outsource) the cost of maintaining the features that are shared, leaving more bang for engineering buck on each entity’s investment in not-yet shared features.

Which isn't to say that diversity in implementation of the shared features doesn't have its own benefits to the ecosystem, particularly in terms of preventing future development from being adversely constrained by what is practical to bolt on to one particular implementation without rewriting big parts of the core. But, for that to really bear fruit, you'd need more diversity than the existing Blink + WebKit + Firefox ecosystem provides anyway, and it's not like Mozilla can conjure that out of thin air.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #154
RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u wrote: post #150

I know it's almost a meme at this point, but maybe Apple should buy Mozilla (or financially support them in some way)? The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of way. Surely Apple don't want to cede more control over web standards to Google? They both promote valuing user privacy, so it's not like they don't have some common ground. If Apple really wants to stick it to Google, they could make an iOS App Store policy…

Other buyouts I have been thinking about is Microsoft buying Canonical. Although Canonical buying out Firefox sounds interesting as well but Canonical seems to have gone through a similarish phase where they shut off certain projects. One other thing that would interest me is Mozilla buying out Fastmail but I am not too sure that would drive the sort of revenue Mozilla needs. There are a few mergers out there that co…

Interesting though with Github. Maintaining the MDN docs certainly aligns well with Github's mission.

Hard to see MS/Github maintaining a browser after Microsoft just adopted Chromium for Edge, but it would be cool to see Firefox given the VS Code treatment. Github had Atom which is where Electron came from, then VS Code is an evolution on top of Electron. Would be nice if Edge was built on Firefox instead of Chromium.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #313
pythonaut_16 wrote: post #312

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That's the death of Firefox. What would "Foxium" offer that Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, Chromium, or Chrome don't already offer? I don't think your speculation is unfounded though.

> What would "Foxium" offer that Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, Chromium, or Chrome don't already offer? More ability, at any given cost, to innovate on candidate new web technologies maintaining Mozilla’s objectives to promote the open internet, acheived through lower cost to implement and maintain consensus technologies. Which is similar to what other Chromium-descended third-party browsers offer their sponsoring entities,…

Those are all fair points, but if Firefox has a hard time driving adoption now, I think being on Chromium they'll find it even harder, unless they have some real killer, must-have features lined up. But I doubt they have those features planned because if they would use them to drive adoption in Firefox now.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by AnonHP »

swyx wrote: post #236
gkoberger wrote: post #113

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Yup! Here's the base SVG I started with: https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.s... Everything else is just CSS!

ok for those who were as obsessed with this as i was... I took the base SVG and cleaned up the CSS to try to understand what was going on with the animations minimal repro: https://svelte.dev/repl/7eea2eba3707414aa62c9ea53b92ad2d?ver... quick youtube discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wKnZNjdpp8&feature=youtu.be I didn't get everything bc you can only get so far looking at the output CSS - he used Stylus he…

Nice breakdown, thank you.

This had me in splits:

>> “ Yup, had to get it out quick so I went simple!“

> “What the actual fuck?!”

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by saagarjha »

waterhouse wrote: post #268
nitrogen wrote: post #261

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How is $600mil/yr "little"? That's a metric f-ton of money by any standards except "companies that are larger than countries."

Googling around, a few sources tell me there are about 250 million Firefox users; Mozilla currently seems to say 210 million: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity As for iOS, this source says there were 900 million iPhone users (doesn't include iPads) as of Jan 2019: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/01/30/900-million-iphones... , and this one says 1.5 billion Apple devices (probably includes Macs) as of…

There's also the part where iOS Safari is pretty much the only browser that people will want to use on the platform.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by saagarjha »

elcritch wrote: post #240
usrusr wrote: post #145

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Had the same thought and it felt terrible. Couldn't they at least try what almost all other advanced open source organisations seem to do? Branch out a consultancy in their field of expertise that maintains an incredibly famous piece of open source code on the side to show off?

There does appear to be a market for specialized embedded browsers. They could’ve likely taken Servo into that space. Add custom dev for pay.

I think that's mostly WebKit these days.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by egypturnash »

smichel17 wrote: post #259
Arathorn wrote: post #211

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Folks, it's been like 3 weeks since we renamed Riot as Element, and (picking DDG) it's already the 18th hit from the top. Riot was 4th at the point we renamed it (second only to RG). Meanwhile it's already the top hit on the Play Store. So give it a few more weeks :) In terms of the name itself, I personally think "Let's talk on Element" is at least as catchy as "Let's talk on Riot", although it's touching to see fol…

Generally I like the new name a lot. The turning point that took me from lukewarm to positive was when the phrase, "in my element" popped into my head, which I think is a pretty fitting theme for a messenger app using a decentralized protocol like matrix ( almost (but not quite) enough for me to wish matrix were branded something like "bond" -- that which connects elements). However, there's one major way it's lackin…

My circles use Telegram a lot and I have no problem saying “Telegram me”.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by alexbanks »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #304
alexbanks wrote: post #133

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Doing layoffs doesn't necessarily mean you don't have the cash to pay everyone, or even that you're not cashflow positive. Sometimes orgs do big layoffs amidst big hiring pushes, meaning they don't feel like their resources are allocated correctly. Sometimes layoffs are a part of bigger organizational restructuring (this is Mozilla), saying they want to emphasize certain parts of the business and downsize others. If…

> Doing layoffs doesn't necessarily mean you don't have the cash to pay everyone, Sure but that's the case here.

Where did they say they couldn't afford to pay these people?
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