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Mozilla Lifeboat
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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not true that "'revenue' from Firefox was never enough", and it's bordering on misinformation to speculate that "Google are stopping the money". edit: Really, could you please not do that? Asking "Is the search deal not expiring?" is even worse than the earlier comment...
Is the search deal not expiring? e: to your edit. I'm not sure what is wrong with the question. My understanding is that the search deal is expiring and is the source of most of the FF related revenue. If that is not the case I'd like to know. It seems like a reasonable question.
The search deal is indeed expiring in a few months, but also neither party has said whether it'll be renewed or not, so it's not yet time to assume it won't be.
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#133It's very weird that Mozilla is laying off 25% of its workforce while at the same time spending oodles of cash on its Fix The Internet incubator. I'm not a business major; maybe this is normal.
Doing layoffs doesn't necessarily mean you don't have the cash to pay everyone, or even that you're not cashflow positive. Sometimes orgs do big layoffs amidst big hiring pushes, meaning they don't feel like their resources are allocated correctly. Sometimes layoffs are a part of bigger organizational restructuring (this is Mozilla), saying they want to emphasize certain parts of the business and downsize others. If layoffs weren't evenly distributed around the company (ie every org loses 5% vs. we just laid off all of x department), it can mean different things.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
'revenue' from Firefox was never enough. It's only really just struck me that of course Google funding them made a dependency and 1) made the company grow beyond its needs, and 2) made it not seek self-sufficiency. If Google are stopping the money then FF is like a person with no money taken in by Google and hooked on drugs; once they're kicked out they can't fund the habit and reliance on Google has meant they've no…
>'revenue' from Firefox was never enough I mean I'm looking at the leadership page and all I can ask myself is do you need to pay that many executives just to build a web browser? I'd be fascinated to know how much it costs Apple to develop Safari, a browser multiple times more successful than Firefox judging by Wikipedia. Just a hunch but I'd bet money it's a fraction of the cost of running this bloated pseudo-chari…
If Mozilla sold devices bundled with Firefox as the default browser, Firefox would also be "multiple times more successful".
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#135"For Mozilla folks looking for a landing spot, Safari and WebKit teams have a number of openings. DM if interested in any of the below: - HTTP stack - Web dev tools - 3D/AR/VR - Mac app - iOS app - Web Extensions - Any web platform area (layout, web APIs, ...) " https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293252487021916161
Is there any support for XR on the open web in that team?
Genuinely interested if some of the spirit of Mozilla could be preserved in that transition.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Different people. Fire one side to fund the other. Many companies use COVID as an excuse to get rid of management mistakes too.
Too bad it's not "mistakes in management" getting fixed instead
Management can have high turnover too. Imagine trying to explain away being head of strategy at a company that drove into a ditch.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the search deal not expiring? e: to your edit. I'm not sure what is wrong with the question. My understanding is that the search deal is expiring and is the source of most of the FF related revenue. If that is not the case I'd like to know. It seems like a reasonable question.
The search deal is indeed expiring in a few months, but also neither party has said whether it'll be renewed or not, so it's not yet time to assume it won't be.
Ok, that's fair.
pbhjpbhj's comment did predicate the speculation with an "If". And Mozilla has already had two rounds of layoffs this year ostensibly because of declining revenue. I think speculation on what will happen if the search deal is not renewed is reasonable.
I do appreciate pointing out that we do not know this will expire.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
The CTO of FB is an ex-Mozillian. There are quite a few ex-Mozillians here, including myself. Despite Mozilla's public posture that FB is enemy #1, the internal technical culture is more similar than different.
Enemy #1? I hear more about Facebook in the Firefox default startpage than _everywhere else I look_. Today, in fact, there is a huge pseudo-advertisiment (at least in fr_FR) about "how I should not feel guilty about browsing Facebook [through Firefox]" , which almost made me puke. As a person who doesn't care about Facebook whatsoever, I didn't get the impression that FB was enemy #1, but rather I assumed FB was payi…
That full page ad was advertising the Mozilla made Facebook container. Based on absence of Mozilla made Google container, I think that ad was paid by Google.
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#139Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec…
Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.
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#140This is good effort. SideQuestion: Given that most of MDN were laid off, Would MDN continue? It was good imo.
Before MDN goes down, someone should archive the entire MDN.