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Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by chrisseaton »

scarface74 wrote: post #149
l1ghthouse wrote: post #63

"For Mozilla folks looking for a landing spot, Safari and WebKit teams have a number of openings. DM if interested in any of the below: - HTTP stack - Web dev tools - 3D/AR/VR - Mac app - iOS app - Web Extensions - Any web platform area (layout, web APIs, ...) " https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293252487021916161

Looking at the Twitter responses, I don’t know why people assume that every single Mozilla employee would put “being part of the open web and contributing to open source” above people’s crazy obsession with having a job and being able to afford food and shelter.

Right - most people just want to feed their kids first and worry about other things later.

I think the idea that most Mozilla employees were working there for morals rather than being able to buy their children shoes is doubtful.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#162

Post by gkoberger »

Igelau wrote: post #157
riffic wrote: post #13

fyi for the people involved in this: use of a mozilla trademark in a domain name is subject to the mozilla (tm) trademark policy: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/ I hope your project doesn't run afoul of this :)

Which it should. I was confused because I really thought from the title that this was some new initiative from Mozilla. It's not affiliated; just trying to preserve the Old Boy Network.

I'm genuinely sorry if it comes off that way way, and I'd love to make any changes you feel would make it more inclusive.

My goal was to create a public site trying to help newly-displaced former coworkers connect, not exclude anyone. Many of these people worked on making the web a better place for a decade. Mozilla's network is intentionally inclusive – the code is open source and can be contributed to by anyone who wants to get involved.

None of these companies are hiring exclusively Mozillians, so feel free to apply either way!

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#163

Post by gkoberger »

staplers wrote: post #159
gkoberger wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the reason I added an alumni contact! Careers pages often are a lagging indicator of what jobs are available, which is where the value of a good network comes in.

This whole thing reeks of nepotism and this comment reinforces that.

Hey! Thanks for the feedback. Mozilla is a large, public community working on open source software, and anyone can become a "Mozillian"... you don't even need to program!

This isn't meant to be sneaky. It's just people trying to help out newly-unemployed, qualified people find a new job in a tough time. And I made it public for a reason – so anyone can find out about and apply for any of the jobs!

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#164

Post by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u »

gkoberger wrote: post #156
RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u wrote: post #150

I know it's almost a meme at this point, but maybe Apple should buy Mozilla (or financially support them in some way)? The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of way. Surely Apple don't want to cede more control over web standards to Google? They both promote valuing user privacy, so it's not like they don't have some common ground. If Apple really wants to stick it to Google, they could make an iOS App Store policy…

This is how we got into this mess in the first place. Google was the "good guy", up against Microsoft and Apple, and funded Mozilla. After all, Google didn't care about web standards or building a browser! They were a search engine. So Mozilla became dependent on Google, and here we are.

If Mozilla could stand alone and compete with the other big players, that'd be best. If they couldn't, then forming alliances with others, even former "enemies", would be 2nd best, and work towards independence.

Even Apple took MS money back in the day: seems to have worked out for Apple.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#165

Post by Aeolun »

scarface74 wrote: post #149
l1ghthouse wrote: post #63

"For Mozilla folks looking for a landing spot, Safari and WebKit teams have a number of openings. DM if interested in any of the below: - HTTP stack - Web dev tools - 3D/AR/VR - Mac app - iOS app - Web Extensions - Any web platform area (layout, web APIs, ...) " https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293252487021916161

Looking at the Twitter responses, I don’t know why people assume that every single Mozilla employee would put “being part of the open web and contributing to open source” above people’s crazy obsession with having a job and being able to afford food and shelter.

I guess everyone expects their job to provide food and shelter, so it would be a bit hard to advertise with that as if it were a positive.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#166

Post by Arathorn »

jernejzen wrote: post #139
Arathorn wrote: post #76

Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec…

Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

We're doing our best to improve UX (it should be noticeably improved over the last year, unless we're kidding ourselves) - and we're doing our best not to screw it up :) But we need help! (hence looking for more folk to hire!)

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

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Post by causality0 »

lacker wrote: post #83
causality0 wrote: post #9

It's very weird that Mozilla is laying off 25% of its workforce while at the same time spending oodles of cash on its Fix The Internet incubator. I'm not a business major; maybe this is normal.

The Fix The Internet incubator doesn't look like very much money is involved. A $2500 stipend for participants, a top prize of $25,000, not that much money. Whereas layoffs of 250 people will save maybe $50 - $100 million a year. Of course, perhaps they will also cut future funding to this incubator, and it's just a different timing that they announce it.

They're paying their devs 200-400 grand a year? Jesus.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#168

Post by IlIlI »

jernejzen wrote: post #139
Arathorn wrote: post #76

Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec…

Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.

Yep ux is a huge problem for getting even tech-savvy people onto element. Would love to see it become a viable alternative to discord but its still far off.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#169

Post by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u »

seabrookmx wrote: post #152
RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u wrote: post #150

I know it's almost a meme at this point, but maybe Apple should buy Mozilla (or financially support them in some way)? The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of way. Surely Apple don't want to cede more control over web standards to Google? They both promote valuing user privacy, so it's not like they don't have some common ground. If Apple really wants to stick it to Google, they could make an iOS App Store policy…

How would that help Mozilla financially? I'd guess most of the FF iOS users don't even realize it's not Gecko under the hood, and don't even know/care what Gecko is.

Users don't care about browser engines, but they may care about better ad blocking, and YouTube playback in the background (w/o paying for Premium). A "true" iOS FF port could do both, and more. Hopefully this would increase FF's market share, and give Mozilla better bargaining powers.

Re: Mozilla Lifeboat

#170

Post by dr_zoidberg »

causality0 wrote: post #167
lacker wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Fix The Internet incubator doesn't look like very much money is involved. A $2500 stipend for participants, a top prize of $25,000, not that much money. Whereas layoffs of 250 people will save maybe $50 - $100 million a year. Of course, perhaps they will also cut future funding to this incubator, and it's just a different timing that they announce it.

They're paying their devs 200-400 grand a year? Jesus.

Not in just salaries, but that estimate would include all the costs associated with an employee.
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