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Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by war1025 »

sjburt wrote: post #129
thomascgalvin wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reality is that the employee was being taken advantage of by the employer and received an offer more closely aligned with their actual value. In the vast majority of cases, I agree. If someone is working at CompuTech for $100K per year, and gets an offer from TechuComp for $110K per year, that's market forces working in favor of the developer. This is a good thing. But there is the possibility for entities the…

I really fail to see the distinction. If someone is willing to pay 600k for something, then the value of that thing on the market is 600k. That is what a market is.

> If someone is willing to pay 600k for something, then the value of that thing on the market is 600k. That is what a market is.

And if a bunch of homeowners are willing to drive up housing costs and prevent building out an adequate supply of housing in an area, that's just the market.

I don't have a horse in either race, but I think there is an appreciable difference between paying a premium for a resource that you use, vs paying a premium solely to prevent someone else from having access to it.

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by mhneu »

paulgb wrote: post #3

> never underestimate the amount of money the FAANGs have to poach your talent. I really wish we'd stop using the word "poach". It's a loaded word with negative connotations, but what it really means here is "offer someone a better situation than you offered them". Employees have agency, they aren't wild elephants who need your "protection" from "predators" who just want to pay them more.

But the FAANGs have a huge unfair advantage over startups - their size gives them monopoly power that disadvantages small companies.

That's a failure of American governance. Economists used to all know that markets needed to be regulated to make competition fair --- and efficient. But the American right has pushed for 50 years to deregulate everything, and the FAANGs have benefited from this rollback of anti-trust.

I'm not sure 'poaching' is the right word, but what the FAANGs are doing is unfair. And it's unfair because they benefit from deregulation and monopoly power that hurts anyone at a small business.

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by maxlamb »

hinkley wrote: post #70
thelean12 wrote: post #35

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I feel like people try to tell themselves this, but money is BY FAR the most important factor. And FAANGs pay a ton. Maybe this can be true if you're going from like $250k to $270k from FAANG to FAANG. But most of the time we're talking about something like $180k to $250k when getting poached to a FAANG. It would take a huge amount of perks or otherwise to make that gap worth it. (Of course this isn't true for everyo…

I know a guy who passed on Apple because they weren't offering anywhere near that. Are a lot of people really seeing this kind of money?

Total compensation, yes (i.e. base salaries are usually much lower)

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by wolco »

throwaway_8145 wrote: post #203
LordKano wrote: post #62

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Approximately 10 years ago, I was really unhappy with my work situation and was checking job postings. I found one that sounded right up my alley and I reached out to the agency that posted it. They told me that because I was working for another one of their clients, they wouldn't submit me for the job because they felt it was unethical. I responded that I wasn't owned by my employer and just as they were free to let…

I have an even worse expirience. I was a SWE for a large corp for a while, and after that transitioned to a role of manager. As I was very eager to build a good team, and the company HR looked slow and unefficient I tried doing recruting myself, at least the part of meeting people and talking them into come to work for us. What I could decide (up to a point) the salary and benefits but people had to go thru testing w…

Please name the corp and list of 10 if possible-

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by gremlinsinc »

nwsm wrote: post #173
arez wrote: post #6

is this a RoR ad? It doesn't really provide any new insights. If your devs are hired by nflx or hit by a bus the outcome is the same. It's just a saying

Yes it is. From the homepage [0]: "Dedicated to the stewardship of Ruby on Rails applications." I guarantee no one needed the author to explain that "hit by a bus" applies to more than tragic accidents. [0] https://www.neomindlabs.com/

I wouldn't hire them cause their ui/ux sucks. I'm fullstack, and not a design expert but I can do better than that easy. The dropdowns at the bottom of the page are the worst.

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by stale2002 »

jefftk wrote: post #212
ISL wrote: post #194

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It does if McDonalds decides that it wishes to dump burgers. The ask price would fall to $0. The market will correct very quickly, as competitors will immediately head over to McDonalds to purchase $\infty$ burgers at $0, killing MCD dead in seconds. The moment McDonalds applies a purchase limit (Free burgers! Limit 5 per customer), the burgers have non-zero cost, as they require a person's time in order to purchase.…

> If McDonalds does have enough capital to buy long-term customers and kill off competition with free burgers, perhaps they should consider it. I'm pretty sure they should not consider it, because it is generally illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

> I'm pretty sure they should not consider it, because it is generally illegal.

It is really not. At least in America. In America, where laws are based on consumer benefit, it is extremely difficult to prosecute companies for having too awesome of a service, that they give away for too good of a price, in a way that helps consumers too much.

It really just isn't something that gets prosecuted, except in absolutely exceptional circumstances.

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Post by psoy »

axaxs wrote: post #177
JPKab wrote: post #86

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The thing that hits me is the "$500k+/year in the valley". Is this really a thing? Am I a giant dumbass for staying in Colorado? Even factoring in my stock grants, I'm nowhere close to that number.

I went through the same thing for years. If I were young (early 20s?) and single, I'd probably consider it. But keep in mind that's the high end. Most people in the valley also don't come close to that number, so it's a gamble without an offer in hand. I'm in my 30's now, with a family. There is no reasonable amount of money that could convince me to uproot and go to the valley. Sure I could come out ahead financiall…

This is called "rationalization", and to be honest, it looks worse than you may realize.

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by redisman »

LordKano wrote: post #62
paulgb wrote: post #3

> never underestimate the amount of money the FAANGs have to poach your talent. I really wish we'd stop using the word "poach". It's a loaded word with negative connotations, but what it really means here is "offer someone a better situation than you offered them". Employees have agency, they aren't wild elephants who need your "protection" from "predators" who just want to pay them more.

Approximately 10 years ago, I was really unhappy with my work situation and was checking job postings. I found one that sounded right up my alley and I reached out to the agency that posted it. They told me that because I was working for another one of their clients, they wouldn't submit me for the job because they felt it was unethical. I responded that I wasn't owned by my employer and just as they were free to let…

You can usually search a important blurb from the job posting combined with the geographic info to find the posting or something very close to it.

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by axaxs »

psoy wrote: post #247
axaxs wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through the same thing for years. If I were young (early 20s?) and single, I'd probably consider it. But keep in mind that's the high end. Most people in the valley also don't come close to that number, so it's a gamble without an offer in hand. I'm in my 30's now, with a family. There is no reasonable amount of money that could convince me to uproot and go to the valley. Sure I could come out ahead financiall…

This is called "rationalization", and to be honest, it looks worse than you may realize.

Please elaborate.

Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix

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Post by snowwrestler »

jefftk wrote: post #212
ISL wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does if McDonalds decides that it wishes to dump burgers. The ask price would fall to $0. The market will correct very quickly, as competitors will immediately head over to McDonalds to purchase $\infty$ burgers at $0, killing MCD dead in seconds. The moment McDonalds applies a purchase limit (Free burgers! Limit 5 per customer), the burgers have non-zero cost, as they require a person's time in order to purchase.…

> If McDonalds does have enough capital to buy long-term customers and kill off competition with free burgers, perhaps they should consider it. I'm pretty sure they should not consider it, because it is generally illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

Keeping in mind where this thread started... I'm not aware of a similar law that prohibits employers from overpaying their employees, though.
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