I guess I'll be the one to say it. No, I am much more likely to be hit by a bus than hired by any high-caliber tech company. I'd say stroke or heart attack top the list for me - probably will happen before 40 too.
Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
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Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The reality is that the employee was being taken advantage of by the employer and received an offer more closely aligned with their actual value. In the vast majority of cases, I agree. If someone is working at CompuTech for $100K per year, and gets an offer from TechuComp for $110K per year, that's market forces working in favor of the developer. This is a good thing. But there is the possibility for entities the…
Isn't this still exactly market forces, though? In your example, Google is just driving up the market price for somebody who works on self-driving cars. In what way is it a deviation from market principles?
In the same way as offering products below costs would be to drive out competition and become a monopolist.
I'm not sure I think this is bad but I believe this is the argument.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are $500k+ yearly salaries in SV really that usual? Salaries? Not at all. Total compensation? Well, it depends. Software engineers with * Salary * Bonus (anywhere between 15-25% of salary) * Initial grant that vests over 3-4yrs * Stock "refreshers" that you get annually * General equity appreciation due to a bull market For senior engineers, the equity portion of their compensation far outweighs their salary.
>* General equity appreciation due to a bull market This one can theoretically cut both directions
Theoretically. In practice, for the past century, there has been only one direction, provided you are patient.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#134FAANG companies can certainly offer more money, but there are lots of things other companies can offer too (besides Ruby on Rails apparently). - ownership of the product and process - less red tape and politics - good work life balance - location other than Silicon Valley - boss who pays attention to engineer needs and wants Money is a huge factor but it isn't the only one!
> - ownership of the product and process I work at FAMANG, and I feel ownership over my product and process. I set priorities for it, I set how work will get done on it, my team collectively determines what kind of processes we follow, and my manager just sanity checks that things are on-track. > - less red tape and politics Red tape, sure, politics, there's no guarantee of less politics in a smaller company. If anyt…
I don't mean to generalize that Big Tech has awful work life balance or other problems (I am sure it is mostly the opposite!), but rather there are lot of things smaller companies can and should offer to be more appealing.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Approximately 10 years ago, I was really unhappy with my work situation and was checking job postings. I found one that sounded right up my alley and I reached out to the agency that posted it. They told me that because I was working for another one of their clients, they wouldn't submit me for the job because they felt it was unethical. I responded that I wasn't owned by my employer and just as they were free to let…
Frankly their actions don’t seem particularly unreasonable to me.
LordKano's reaction doesn't seem unreasonable to me, either.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#136> never underestimate the amount of money the FAANGs have to poach your talent. I really wish we'd stop using the word "poach". It's a loaded word with negative connotations, but what it really means here is "offer someone a better situation than you offered them". Employees have agency, they aren't wild elephants who need your "protection" from "predators" who just want to pay them more.
> I really wish we'd stop using the word "poach". It's intentional language used by employers because it has preconceived notions and they succinctly communicate a story that benefits the employer. When you hear poached, you think illegal and victims. It makes you think that the employer has been wronged in some way and that the employee was both participatory in something illegal or at least underhanded and at the s…
Oh come on. It's just succinct and communicates what's happening effectively. There's no grand conspiracy to create some underhanded psychological shift in the workforce at large... God, it's so ridiculous. Business slang like this comes from managers bored out of their minds trying to be concise and make corporate interaction marginally interesting.
What other word would you recommend? Lured? Hired? They're not as precise.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#137"Hit by a bus" means hired away. That's the meaning of the phrase.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
The tech companies do invest a certain amount into new-grads. If you are a new grad in Microsoft working on most products you will get a weeklong training on how to build apps on azure (equivilant to azure level 1 certificate). You will also get invited to these pretty cool speaking events where they bring in people who have had TED-talks to discuss your transition.
> If you are a new grad in Microsoft working on most products you will get a weeklong training on how to build apps on azure (equivilant to azure level 1 certificate) Do you actually get a certificate? That would be equivalent(and would actually be a good idea).
I think it shows up internally I completed the training. They say at the end of the course, that you should be ready to take the official test. I think you get a discount on the test, but you do have to pay for it.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#139> never underestimate the amount of money the FAANGs have to poach your talent. I really wish we'd stop using the word "poach". It's a loaded word with negative connotations, but what it really means here is "offer someone a better situation than you offered them". Employees have agency, they aren't wild elephants who need your "protection" from "predators" who just want to pay them more.
> I really wish we'd stop using the word "poach". It's intentional language used by employers because it has preconceived notions and they succinctly communicate a story that benefits the employer. When you hear poached, you think illegal and victims. It makes you think that the employer has been wronged in some way and that the employee was both participatory in something illegal or at least underhanded and at the s…
"taken advantage of" Uh, no. There's no such thing as perfect information in the marketplace. And besides, money is only one vector for a job. There's many other factors that go into deciding who to work for and where to work. Work-life balance, perks, location, team or mission, family responsibilities, etc. You actually can have win-win relationships. They exist.
Re: Developer won’t get hit by a bus, they’ll get hired by Netflix
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I really wish we'd stop using the word "poach". It's intentional language used by employers because it has preconceived notions and they succinctly communicate a story that benefits the employer. When you hear poached, you think illegal and victims. It makes you think that the employer has been wronged in some way and that the employee was both participatory in something illegal or at least underhanded and at the s…
> The reality is that the employee was being taken advantage of by the employer and received an offer more closely aligned with their actual value. In the vast majority of cases, I agree. If someone is working at CompuTech for $100K per year, and gets an offer from TechuComp for $110K per year, that's market forces working in favor of the developer. This is a good thing. But there is the possibility for entities the…
>someone might offer them $600K just to prevent competitors from having access to them.
Those are still market forces. They aren't paying the worker value, but the damage they will cause to competitors. Welcome to capitalism.