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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Chinese government mandated pre-installed spyware on all phones made in China is certainly a huge problem.

But on the other hand, isn't it a violation of First Amendment protections if the US government can dictate certain apps aren't allowed to be distributed in the US?

Since software's subject to copyright, doesn't it logically follow that banning software is legally similar to banning a book?

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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There’s such a long list of this stuff from various companies. It’s not hard to research this at all. In terms of an anecdotal evidence... My father used to work for molex, one of his biggest complaints were fixing the molds after they were sent to Chinese factories. They would try to deconstruct them and couldn’t put them back together (this was the 90’s, early 2000’s). So they would be shipped back to the US operat…

This has been known for decades, companies knew, and the way they dealt with this was to only give China obsolete tech or tech about to get out of date, so they didn't care. That's no longer the case as China is catching up fast and really threatening the competitive advantage of truly innovative companies all around the world.

Recently, Like in the case of 5G. They are the innovators and others are the catchers. I think labeling every western company as truly innovator and the Chinese ones as copy-cats is the modus operandi in the US but that is clinging to the old stereotypes in fast changing times. They built up massive expertise and are putting it into use to gain more edge on other countries including the US.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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The site uses WordPress and the post author decided to include a thumbnail, scaled up to regular size, rather than using the original: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CleanNetwor...

Jesus fucking Christ. I remember when the US government wasn't a complete laughingstock.

Hot take!

Interested in helping improve the state of things?

Plenty of jobs available with the USDS and various departments from Forestry to HHS!

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Yes. It is ridiculous how closely the language sounds to that of a dictatorial regime. The language is just so.. cringy. When I first read, I genuinely could not believe it was not onion or some weird caricature.

This document looks like a prop from Starship Troopers or Robocop.

Cyberpunk is now!

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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> The Clean Network program is the Trump Administration’s comprehensive approach to safeguarding the nation’s assets including citizens’ privacy and companies’ most sensitive information from aggressive intrusions by malign actors, such as the Chinese Communist Party.

What bunkum. What about intrusion by parties such as Russian intelligence using legal methods, targeting ads using our "most sensitive information" on Facebook to benefit Trump? Trump wants to talk about the Chinese digging tunnels under the house while his cronies (domestic and Russian) walk right in the front door.

This is such an obvious ploy to change the conversation away from the now >160,000 Covid-19 deaths in the USA resulting from his disastrous management of the crisis.

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So the country whose national security and intelligence agencies have gathered the largest database of sensitive information in the world is proposing to "safeguard sensitive information from aggressive intrusions by malign actors"... If U.S. is some kind of role model / example for other countries to follow (in terms of freedoms, democracy, prosperity, etc) then other countries will also gather sensitive information…

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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Has anyone published the evidence of Huawei being an "arm of the PRC surveillance state"? I've seen a lot of claims and a lot of out-of-court-settled lawsuits, but nothing really showing that they're using their devices or software infrastructure for surveillance.

I grew up in Ottawa, Nortel HQ, and had lots of friends with parents working at Nortel. That's a town that does not buy a lot of Huawei. What kept happening, from the perspective of people who worked there that I've talked to, was that Nortel would do heavy R&D investments and then a few months later Huawei would be selling identical hardware with zero R&D budget- for lower cost, naturally. It took Nortel years to fi…

Bloomberg did a writeup of this a few weeks ago: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-07-01/did-china...

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

"Build the Firewall" and get China to pay for it?
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