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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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dekhn wrote: post #146
enraged_camel wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't argue in bad faith, and actually read the links provided. The issue here is that the current Postmaster General fired the administrators who were pushing back against the "optimizations" he is making and wants to make to USPS policies. The final goal is to privatize USPS, which has been a Republican dream since the Reagan era.

Yes, I read all articles about the USPS the day they are published across a wide range of journals. However, I'm simply looking for a direct, factual claim that supports that these firings were directly intended to slow down mail delivery so as to cause problems during the forthcoming election. So far all the claims I've seen are indirect; further, the PG has explicitly said they are prepared to handle mail-in votes…

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Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by dylz »

hojjat12000 wrote: post #109
ISL wrote: post #80

I have the same feeling about this as I did the announcement of the "Department of Homeland Security". The name sounded Soviet in origin, with only the exchange of "Homeland" in place of "Motherland". It reminded me of things my family had taught me didn't happen in the United States. "We call on all freedom-loving nations and companies to join the Clean Network." is a sentence straight out of an authoritarian playbo…

To be honest they are forcing a "National Internet" in Iran, and the language in this document just reminded me of that. Huh.

This has more or less existed in Iran since forever. As far as I can tell everything has been chokepointed through TIC/ITC ASNs for connectivity.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by 24gttghh »

gruez wrote: post #149
24gttghh wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do this anyways. Why would I pay postage to have something brought to a distribution center 20 miles away, wait a few days, then brought back to my town to get delivered to town hall when I can literally walk there and drop it off for free?

Because time is money? first class postage is only 55 cents, that's hard to beat from a dollars per hour spent perspective.

Time may be money to some, but my time is fresh air and not supporting wasteful transport systems if I can avoid it.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by chillacy »

waihtis wrote: post #95
tomc1985 wrote: post #68

Why the hell does any of this have to be China specific? Tomorrow the bugbear could be anyone else Like, we want clean networks free of foreign influence and sruveillance, full stop. Or are they implying that Five Eyes surveillance is good and OK?

This is more about Huawei in general. Russia, for instance, doesn't have a technology provider of similar magnitude and influence.

I think the parent commenter's point is that making laws based on objective rules would make it more future-proof. Laws once passed usually stay for a long time. Huawei wasn't a big deal 15 years ago. 15 years from now someone else their place.

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by chillacy »

codemonkey-zeta wrote: post #111
hijinks wrote: post #28

only the NSA is allowed to backdoor US networking hardware

I laughed, but also ... yes? As a lover of liberty I would much rather just my own government (by which I am ostensibly represented) have the ability to infringe on that liberty than 2 governments. I would want to support regulations that protect myself and neighbors from the influence of those other infringers, no?

Your own government also has more tools to use against you. You'll pass through your own border more frequently, you're more available to be arrested, harassed by LE, etc.

How about as a lover of liberty, _nobody_ snoops on our data?

Re: The Clean Network – United States Department of State

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Post by motohagiography »

mindslight wrote: post #137
motohagiography wrote: post #29

The question I think this is an answer to is how you can have a reasonable expectation of freedom and privacy while sharing an internet with a CCP who has militarized their technology sector as a means to facilitate colonial expansion. I'm no fan of anyone involved, but we should accept that the Internet as we may have known it has been compromised by exogenous governance structures and their gatekeepers in service o…

Computer security does not operate around large sweeping claims of some party doing something bad, and so doing something bad in retaliation. And it's impossible for the "Internet" to be compromised - by definition it's an open network that gets packets from A to B while letting most anyone listen in. So then, what are the specific problems? If the problem is that China is copying designs, then the solution is to sto…

This appears to be a rare example of a government providing a secure perimeter for its citizens to create and innovate without being subject to a foreign totalitarian machine's global spying operation. It's not a top down imposition.

Reality is, if the U.S. govt doesn't protect its networks, people and companies will have to protect themselves with encryption and hardware key management that keeps China out, which by extension means keeping US law enforcement out as well. It's a sovereignty issue.

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