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Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

You seem confused. What's your point?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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One thing that is not often mentioned is these threads is how this is particularly beneficial for European workers. They live in cities that are already small and dense, generally don't depend on the office for their socialization, internet speeds are good (due to density probably) and family life is balanced. Plus a lot of them are already accustomed to working remotely. They 'll probably be able to compete for a lot more jobs now.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

I think the perspective of "who cares about blue collar worker" is assuming that wfh is always a choice, a preference and ideal for non-blue-collar workers.

I'm sure right now, lots of people who dreamed of wfh and couldn't have tried it and learned that it might not be the right arrangement for them.

Also, I find it hard to accept that people who pick certain jobs out of preference (not made to chose out of circumstances) like "blue collar jobs" would expect working from home. What does it mean for a steel worker to be working from home? A warehouse worker? A painter? A housekeeper? A cook?

I do agree with the rest of the sentiment you shared though... The sense that some people who are enjoying the current state of affairs want others to return to normalcy while they are living the exception.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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What's wrong with Google docs or any of the myriad online whiteboard apps?

Unless you’ve mastered one of those tools, it’s impossible to match the fluidity of thought to text or visualization that a standard whiteboard provides you. I’m also not convinced that there is a tool that when mastered can provide the same fluidity, but I can claim that, and to the contrary I’d love a recommendation.

I’ve been trying to build a really simple only boxes and arrows whiteboard at https://whiteboard.systems

It’s definitely not the same as drawing on a whiteboard, but I’ve found it useful for explaining abstractions.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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If all of the white collar workers who are able to work from home and limit exposure to and spread of covid-19, doesn't that help everyone else who can't work from home?

You don't see the "It's good for you that I hide from the danger and you go out in it" and how incredibly messed up that is?

Until we solve AGI (if we ever do), someone is still going to have to go out to do a wide range of jobs that just can't be done remotely.

The fewer people out and about, the less opportunities for the virus to spread.

Yes, it's messed up, but it's better than the alternative: Everyone going about their lives like normal and spreading it even more.

I honestly don't see any better alternative.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Same boat, founders seem level headed and the company seems heading in the right direction. For me a plus is the office locations in Australia. I wonder what the next companies to do this will be?

Everything I read about the founders makes me think they are great guys, I think they value the same things I do. They are also obviously smart and great business people too because they have very successful business. They also have a habit of acquiring products I like using. I was a user of both source tree and trello when they were acquired. Having said all that, I really hate Jira and Confluence and would not like…

Counterpoint: working on infrastructure teams at Atlassian are significantly more pleasant than the product teams.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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If all of the white collar workers who are able to work from home and limit exposure to and spread of covid-19, doesn't that help everyone else who can't work from home?

You don't see the "It's good for you that I hide from the danger and you go out in it" and how incredibly messed up that is?

There are a number of blue-collar jobs that don't require close indoor proximity. That's almost the differentiating factor. A landscaper, welder, framer, forester aren't sitting in conference rooms breathing each other's exhalations for 8 hours a day.

And since most of those jobs aren't usually salaried, I think they'd all welcome being able to go to work and continue to earn.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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If all of the white collar workers who are able to work from home and limit exposure to and spread of covid-19, doesn't that help everyone else who can't work from home?

You don't see the "It's good for you that I hide from the danger and you go out in it" and how incredibly messed up that is?

What are you actually saying? That white colar workers cannot have certain benefits that come with the job because blue collar workers cannot have them?

Let's hope everyone can choose the job they want and have the benefits that come with it.

I know plenty of blue collar workers that would never want to work behind a desk, and also know plenty who started earning a lot of money at 18.

I find your "blue collar victims" mentality very strange.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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I’m never sure if it’s actually core JIRA that is bad or if the problem is how customizable the thing is. It seems like every organization has added a bunch of custom fields and required bits that make it so annoying to use.

Even a vanilla JIRA core on their cloud is slow as molasses, while there is slight improvement over the last year, they seem to be using more react on the frontend in each update. On a typical day moving tickets around , reviewing everyone's items and confluence with its WYSIWHG editor only approach is 20% of my day gone. Just making the UI non blocking for every single action would double my productivity. Their mobi…

What does WYSIWHG stand for?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

#170

The first thing that went through my head when I saw this headline was: "Huh, maybe I should send them a resume." I'm hype if this trend continues.

You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page? I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker

I didn't say that was my well researched opinion/plan!
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