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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by dang »

space_invaders wrote: post #64
admk wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My suggestion is that you shouldn't bother. The Chinese people would not believe the Western media narrative on Xinjiang (XJ), which also doesn't really have credible sources if look deeper into their "facts" [0]. And it is increasingly clear that the XJ narrative is a US-backed propaganda rather than factual reporting [1]. Most of us would consider the western people being brainwashed into believing whatever the med…

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That is a serious violation of the HN guidelines and will get you banned if you keep doing it, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

People here need to be able to express their views and respect each other, even across broad national/ethnic/ideological gaps. Someone disagreeing with you about China is not evidence that they're a communist agent or anything of that nature, and it's poisonous, degrading, and frankly dumb to make posts to that effect.

Rather, what's going on is that this community is large, diverse, and full of people with different backgrounds. We need to hear each other, not abuse each other.

If you'd like more explanation, I've written about this extensively:

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by dang »

coincidents wrote: post #54
admk wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My suggestion is that you shouldn't bother. The Chinese people would not believe the Western media narrative on Xinjiang (XJ), which also doesn't really have credible sources if look deeper into their "facts" [0]. And it is increasingly clear that the XJ narrative is a US-backed propaganda rather than factual reporting [1]. Most of us would consider the western people being brainwashed into believing whatever the med…

Throwaway because yeah. What's fun is your account is four years old and you have three posts, all of which have a pro-China bias. Why are you ignoring the human rights atrocities happening in China, and why are you turfing for Xi's brutal government?

We've banned this account for violating HN's guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with.

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No, this is not because I'm secretly a communist. It's because you can't attack others like this on HN. For plenty of past explanation see these links:

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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by boomboomsubban »

abc-xyz wrote: post #168
coliveira wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are mistaken, BLM around the world is not a protest against the US, it is a protest for better treatment of black people everywhere. People in the occident don't have guts to protest the US, unless it is coming from some left wing party that is then viewed as extremist.

I’m afraid you’re mistaken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter . There are also many western countries that don’t have a problem with police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people who still took the streets to show solidarity with the African-American people. It’s also ridiculous to believe other western countries don’t have the guts to protest the US considering the largest prot…

>It’s also ridiculous to believe other western countries don’t have the guts to protest the US considering the largest protests in recent years (in western countries

Name one "western" country that has elected an anti-US government. Places like Venezuela and Bolivia have, and the response has been US coup or US coup attempts.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by bArray »

pg_1234 wrote: post #156
bArray wrote: post #121

As fellow humans, there is no way to look at this situation and find something positive. The actions of the CCP need to be condemned. If you disagree with this point, we are fundamentally at odds. To those complaining about the anti-China narrative, it's the CCP (government) which are at fault, not the people. I think we should always make it very clear that it's not the Chinese people we take issue with and we are n…

* * * But can you trust the source. It is after all a model, who's entire career revolves around faking appearances for the camera. A determined news team and a suitably sympathetic model could have produced a similar report on any story. Perhaps find a more credible source to support.

> But can you trust the source.

His family haven't heard from him in 5 months, it seems quite extreme for a small amount of popularity.

> Perhaps find a more credible source to support.

Just to name a few: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inmP0LvZEhY

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c&feature=youtu.be

[3] https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1284784810200838145

[4] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063

[5] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/world/asia/china-xinjiang...

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by abc-xyz »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #165
abc-xyz wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of people are protesting against business with Saudi Arabia. The reason you see so much anti-China sentiment is likely a result of China having managed to become a part of the lives of people in western countries. Oil states play a huge role in the lives of people who follow football due to UAE/Qatar having ownership of large clubs, similarly, there have been a lot of protests with regard to the 2022 FIFA Worl…

That you can make this post without mentioning the continued US/Saudi war on Yemen largely proves their point. People care when oil states are involved in a sport they follow or a US residents life. What is happening to millions of people in Yemen doesn't register.

I would say it proves my point. Most people couldn’t care less about what happens outside their borders unless the country responsible also do things that impact their life. No on gives a damn when North Korea starve its citizens to death, subject them to hard labor and execute them left and right. But the western world care a lot when they imprison/torture a western citizen.

Similarly, no one cares about China kidnaping girls from neighboring countries to force them into marriage/prostitution in China. But people care a lot when China force gaming companies to censor their games and ban western citizens playing western games in a western country because they write “Free Hong Kong” in the chat.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by abc-xyz »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #173
abc-xyz wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m afraid you’re mistaken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter . There are also many western countries that don’t have a problem with police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people who still took the streets to show solidarity with the African-American people. It’s also ridiculous to believe other western countries don’t have the guts to protest the US considering the largest prot…

>It’s also ridiculous to believe other western countries don’t have the guts to protest the US considering the largest protests in recent years (in western countries Name one "western" country that has elected an anti-US government. Places like Venezuela and Bolivia have, and the response has been US coup or US coup attempts.

Name one western country that have elected an anti-China government and say why you think their opinion/action towards China had any influence on them willing the election.

I’m guessing you can’t, because quite frankly, USA is the only western country that have done something meaningful to stand up to China. If Trump gets re-elected then I’ll agree that his anti-China stance and actions won him a significant amount of votes (enough to be deciding factor in him beating Biden), but unless that happens then you’ll have a hard time convincing anyone that a western government rose to power as a result of their anti-China stance.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by abc-xyz »

coliveira wrote: post #170
abc-xyz wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m afraid you’re mistaken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter . There are also many western countries that don’t have a problem with police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people who still took the streets to show solidarity with the African-American people. It’s also ridiculous to believe other western countries don’t have the guts to protest the US considering the largest prot…

So, when are these countries going to start boycotting the US government? Maybe still during this millennium? I wouldn't hold my breath. These are the same countries that sat down watching while the US practiced apartheid until the 60s.

When are these countries going to start boycotting China? USA under Trump is quite frankly the only western country that has taken meaningful action to stand up to China.

USA also benefits from the fact that it’s a democracy (admittedly a very flawed one, especially compared to e.g. the Scandinavian countries), so if they elect a madman then other countries only have to endure 4-8 years (and his/her power is significantly restricted compared to Xi Jinping and other dictators).

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by boomboomsubban »

abc-xyz wrote: post #175
boomboomsubban wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That you can make this post without mentioning the continued US/Saudi war on Yemen largely proves their point. People care when oil states are involved in a sport they follow or a US residents life. What is happening to millions of people in Yemen doesn't register.

I would say it proves my point. Most people couldn’t care less about what happens outside their borders unless the country responsible also do things that impact their life. No on gives a damn when North Korea starve its citizens to death, subject them to hard labor and execute them left and right. But the western world care a lot when they imprison/torture a western citizen. Similarly, no one cares about China kidna…

I will remind you that this thread is about what is happening with the Chinese Uighurs, a group that has no impact on Western lives.

>Most people couldn’t care less about what happens outside their borders unless the country responsible also do things that impact their life

The US is the country responsible here. US military commanders have said that the war in Yemen would end tomorrow without US assistance, and the US declared war on Afghanistan.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by boomboomsubban »

abc-xyz wrote: post #176
boomboomsubban wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It’s also ridiculous to believe other western countries don’t have the guts to protest the US considering the largest protests in recent years (in western countries Name one "western" country that has elected an anti-US government. Places like Venezuela and Bolivia have, and the response has been US coup or US coup attempts.

Name one western country that have elected an anti-China government and say why you think their opinion/action towards China had any influence on them willing the election. I’m guessing you can’t, because quite frankly, USA is the only western country that have done something meaningful to stand up to China. If Trump gets re-elected then I’ll agree that his anti-China stance and actions won him a significant amount o…

>Name one western country that have elected an anti-China government and say why you think their opinion/action towards China had any influence on them willing the election.

Every non-Russia UN security council state from the 50's to the mid 70's. Because they were "fighting back the forces of Communism."

Or, as you mention, the Chinese menace has been a constant selling point of the Republican party for thirty years, though Bush did not aggressively pursue it. McCain was openly racist towards China, his coments are truly disgusting.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by boomboomsubban »

abc-xyz wrote: post #177
coliveira wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, when are these countries going to start boycotting the US government? Maybe still during this millennium? I wouldn't hold my breath. These are the same countries that sat down watching while the US practiced apartheid until the 60s.

When are these countries going to start boycotting China? USA under Trump is quite frankly the only western country that has taken meaningful action to stand up to China. USA also benefits from the fact that it’s a democracy (admittedly a very flawed one, especially compared to e.g. the Scandinavian countries), so if they elect a madman then other countries only have to endure 4-8 years (and his/her power is signific…

Right, I'll just vote Democrat and they'll surely end the War in Afghanistan.
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