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Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by ffpip »

shock wrote: post #83

Unfortunately, even with Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 you can still be tracked by using ETags. There are extensions for Firefox that block ETag tracking, but I haven't reviewed a specific extension sufficiently to recommend one.

Remove Etags with the CleanURL addons. Just turn off everything else it does, if you only want to remove ETag.

Clean URL cleans many links. No utm_source, no amazon trackers, no google/yandex changing links just right before you click it. It has adblock built in, so turn it off if you already have an adblocker.

You can also do it with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/netflix-party...

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by typon »

jdashg wrote: post #173
winter_blue wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've gone back and forth between Firefox and Chrome. It's just that Firefox is noticeably slower than Chrome (or at least was about a year ago). Even simply switching between open tabs around what feels like 0.5 seconds , whereas on Chrome, tab switching is instantaneous. I've run Firefox in multi-process mode (since that was an option), but even with it, in general it seems like Firefox gets noticeably slower than C…

Hi! We at Mozilla certainly don't see that! I'm at 815 tabs in this window alone and switching is instantaneous. Did you happen to file a bug report about this atypical behavior?

Hey Mozilla Employee,

Could you guys please add a feature where any link opened from within a container opens in the same container category? (Like if i'm in Personal, I stay in Personal unless I explictly opt-out)? It's such a pain to constantly right-click and open tabs. Thanks :)

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by jimmaswell »

catalogia wrote: post #141
jimmaswell wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What cookies are you trying to get rid of? Why are they a big deal?

You've got it completely backwards. Invert your questions: What cookies shouldn't be deleted, and why shouldn't they be deleted? The continued existence of a cookie requires justification, not the deletion of a cookie. Only a small minority of cookies exist for the users' benefit.

I don't personally care if some ad network made a few pennies off me, and preventing that wouldn't be worth the inconvenience to me.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by prox »

sedatk wrote: post #85
noahtallen wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FF’s UX around things not related to browsing is slightly worse on all platforms. It’s most obvious on iOS where some of the styles for your “library” just don’t work correctly on iPhone 10’s. I also think their model for managing non-browsing stuff is too complex comparatively. To access many things like history and bookmarks, you need to use the dropdown menu on the right, which has like 30 different options in it,…

Firefox is especially bad in download UX. The “something is downloading” animation isn’t noticeable enough, causing me to click on download links multiple times and wondering why it didn’t work.

Haha, and I find the mega bar on the bottom in Chrome super annoying. Get out of my face! ;)

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by cuddlybacon »

noahtallen wrote: post #71
tdhz77 wrote: post #23

I keep encouraging people to use Firefox over the others. My efforts keep failing. Mozilla’s focus on privacy is important and should be to others. People have been burned in the past and are willing to give up privacy for something that just works. The irony.

FF’s UX around things not related to browsing is slightly worse on all platforms. It’s most obvious on iOS where some of the styles for your “library” just don’t work correctly on iPhone 10’s. I also think their model for managing non-browsing stuff is too complex comparatively. To access many things like history and bookmarks, you need to use the dropdown menu on the right, which has like 30 different options in it,…

I also avoid FF because of the UI. It's what I use on my PC, which doesn't get used much. If I have to VNC into a linux machine at work, I'll use it there as well. But that is even rarer.

The last time I noticed a UI change, it was for the worse. The made the url/navigation/search bar get bigger when it had focus. To me that is pretty dumb, and I wish you could turn it off. Knowing Firefox you probably can, but a few Google searches couldn't tell me how. If this was done on a product that already had a good UI, it wouldn't seem like a big deal. But given how much low hanging fruit there is in Firefox's UI, it makes you question their priorities.

This is all really weird, since what made Firefox take off in the first place was its better UI. A lot of websites had compatibility issues, and people wanted to use Firefox in spite of them. A lot of webdevs got to work fixing these issues because they wanted to be able to switch to Firefox themselves. It seems that Mozilla never really understood how much its UI advantage helped Firefox get popular. Instead they seem to attribute that period of success to things that I think most people consider nice to haves: extensions, privacy, about:config, etc.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by Shorel »

ainar-g wrote: post #24
vikbytes wrote: post #15

This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. Not to mention Firefox is usually brought to its knees when trying to delete large segments of History/Cookies at once.

> This is fantastic. I never liked the cookies sticking around forever, and managing them manually was a massive pain if you wanted to keep some of them. You might like the CookieAutoDelete plugin[1]. It's a recommended plugin which allows you to set a list of domains and domain patterns which retain their cookies while others are deleted. I've been using it for a couple of months now, and I love it. [1] https://addo…

Thank you!

I just installed it, and it does a great job.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by varenc »

input_sh wrote: post #77
svnpenn wrote: post #55

> Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0; blocking redirect trackers by default Isnt that what is used with Google Search? For example if you go here: https://www.google.com/search?q=sunday the first result appears to be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday but its really: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

More details here[0], but in short, they'll "block them" by deleting cookies and site data of redirect trackers every 24h, preventing long term profile building, while not breaking the redirects. There's also a "Google search link fix" recommended extension that fixes those URLs (replaces https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday in your example). Also ava…

For Chrome and Safari users, Google doesn’t even need to do link redirection. Chrome supports the “ping” attribute on links which basically tells the browser to make an asynchronous logging request in the background when the user clicks a link. On Firefox, Google has to keep using redirects. https://caniuse.com/#search=Ping

The official name for this spec is “hyperlinking auditing”...

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by ceejayoz »

dependenttypes wrote: post #57
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the default should be to block tracking. We just shouldn't allow it. Imagine someone telling you a popup blocker (something even IE8 had standard) should be acquire separately.

Integrate ublock origin then? Why offer an inferior solution?

uBlock Origin does substantially more than just tracking blocking, which might be picking too much of a fight with very powerful entities.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

zamadatix wrote: post #163
nitrogen wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only downside is that product managers who rely on third-party analytics to decide what platforms are relevant will never see Firefox+uBlock users as relevant. I've had to argue this at multiple companies; fortunately at some places multiple developers used uBlock so it wasn't as hard as making the case alone.

Percentage wise adblock users or Firefox users total to about 10% of users so it really depends on the target user demographic to say whether or not you need to specially account that those users aren't being reflected. Coding tools probably. Game for a social website probably not. Also depends on the financial model, if it's primarily ad based then the group of users you don't have good ad data for isn't something y…

I've run both Google Analytics and my own back-end analytics on the same site and found GA missing over 1/3 of my total non-bot traffic. Most of that traffic was Firefox.

Re: Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

stiray wrote: post #185

Add those add-ons: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canvas-finger... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webgl-fingerp... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/font-fingerpr... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/audioctx-fing... I would really love to have more addins like this, doing one thing and doing it good. They will kill fingerprinting and as a proof, I was downvot…

Not sure that's the reason why you were downvoted.

Perhaps (I am trying to guess) it would have been more helpful to explain why these four add-ons, individually, are so necessary. Or perhaps a more expanded comment on why you picked these, and what effect they provide.

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