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China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by yorwba »

chloerei wrote: post #79
Arbalest wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the videos are... made on a set that Westerners set up, using movie type effects? Or does China want people to believe they are doing this to... make for chilling effects without actually committing the atrocities? The first is a positive assertion I'm acertaining because you stated this is Western Propaganda. If this is true, better start looking for evidence of this operation, because a single assumption that ph…

The BBC has a bad record. They visited the Xinjiang Education Camp. Although interviews were allowed, they used various shooting and editing techniques to make this school look dark, distorted, and scary. Then the content of the filming showed that this was only a skill training school. Until the end, they did not give up and hoped to take evidence of lying, but the scene of Xinjiang people leaving the education camp…

It's interesting that you believe he was arrested once but cannot believe that he was arrested twice. If the pictures and chatlogs were from his first stint in prison, would you believe it then?

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by DarthGhandi »

tigerlily wrote: post #90

My Kazakh office mate is so angry over this. He swears there is going to be jihad.

That was the problem in the beginning though, waging a separatist war. It's why all this started when a lot of Uyghurs came back from Syria after fighting for ISIS.

Do you think more of those bombing campaigns, taking hostages at police stations and throwing hand grenades out of cars into busy market bazaars will improve the situation for the people of Xinjiang?

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by auganov »

cycomanic wrote: post #19

I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

In my experience a lot of the population is very anti-Uighur and they wouldn't care that much. In the run up to this people have been conditioned by images of violent protests in the region. They have been demonized as religious fanatics. Religion in of itself is a big no-no in China. You combine that with anti-Muslim sentiment and a different ethnicity and it's pretty easy to demonize a group.

To convince them you'd really have to go into details and explain just how unjust the whole ordeal is. Most pro-govt people's default assumption will be they're doing a good job taking care of bad people.

Even the notion that someone of a different religion and ethnicity who might not speak the language should be rightfully considered a Chinese citizen deserving all the same freedoms is a tough sell.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by panpanna »

throwaway9990 wrote: post #53
rvz wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what happens when you show this evidence to a Chinese Ambassador and diplomat. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1284784810200838145

Those are prisoners.

- those are prisoners

- what did they do?

- these criminals were caught red-handed praying to allah

Edit: I am probably on some kind of list now

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by Kootle »

fiblye wrote: post #77
calf wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the outcomes you describe are only bad at preserving the status quo at that workplace.

The outcomes will also give them a heightened sense of nationalism and feed into the idea that the West is just out to get China and Chinese people, which the media plays up quite a bit. As an American, sitting down next to a European on vacation for more than a few minutes is never fun. Once they inevitably ask "Where are you from?", they follow it up with a lecture on American politics before I can even finish my s…

> As an American, sitting down next to a European on vacation for more than a few minutes is never fun. Once they inevitably ask "Where are you from?", they follow it up with a lecture on American politics before I can even finish my sentence. It's tedious and it's nothing new.

Counter-anecdotally; I've never experienced this and in my workplace at least, the people who never stop talking politics are all American.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by noja »

phreack wrote: post #49
bmitc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a workplace environment, it is completely inappropriate. Second of all, why? What do you wish to discuss? What would you like to happen? What do these people have to do with it? If you're in the U.S., do you have anything useful to discuss regarding Guantanamo Bay and the many other U.S. black sites or the Mexican concentration camps run at the border? Do you think those are appropriate conversation pieces to brin…

There is a comparable situation with Americans, many people are unaware of the Tulsa massacre, and the reaction I've seen from people first hearing about it is mostly anger at it not being taught. Personally I'd be thankful to know of censored history, particularly if it is occurring and being censored right now, in a democracy.

Don't do that. Both are bad. The existence of one does not prevent the discussion of the other. Please do not try to derail or distract the discussion.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by DarthGhandi »

fiblye wrote: post #40
cycomanic wrote: post #19

I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

There are two outcomes: 1: They really will not know what you're talking about and think you're crazy and just hate Chinese people (this is common). 2: They will somewhat know what you're talking about, and have a massive list of bad things your country has done/is still doing, and you won't be happy (this is also common, but slightly less common) If you were good friends, you can mention this and drop it and try to…

Just for the record here do you have any mainland Chinese friends?

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by dumb1224 »

fiblye wrote: post #77
calf wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the outcomes you describe are only bad at preserving the status quo at that workplace.

The outcomes will also give them a heightened sense of nationalism and feed into the idea that the West is just out to get China and Chinese people, which the media plays up quite a bit. As an American, sitting down next to a European on vacation for more than a few minutes is never fun. Once they inevitably ask "Where are you from?", they follow it up with a lecture on American politics before I can even finish my s…

That's my worry too. A lot of us are very defensive now even to be reasonable. However it is hard to buy these videos if you were born and raised in China, simply because you understand the culture around it. For example there are a lot of Vloggers in Xinjiang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRXnF42z1oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3VGz4HFs_A

If you understand the language and culture the locals talk a similar way to the responses from the BBC video. And in the Vice video the locals even spoke for the secret journalists.

Also for mainland china everyone refers people from any ethnic background from Xinjiang a 'Xinjianger' not a singled out 维族人. I'm sure there are a lot of injustice but ethnic minorities are known to entitle a few 'privileges' such as carrying knives and not subject to one-child policy. Hence the cause of the inevitable unfair treatment and conflict (to be honest many policies are not up to modern liberal views). I'm not defending ccp ever, but I'm also shocked people knew very little about everything else.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by MagnumOpus »

auganov wrote: post #93
cycomanic wrote: post #19

I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

In my experience a lot of the population is very anti-Uighur and they wouldn't care that much. In the run up to this people have been conditioned by images of violent protests in the region. They have been demonized as religious fanatics. Religion in of itself is a big no-no in China. You combine that with anti-Muslim sentiment and a different ethnicity and it's pretty easy to demonize a group. To convince them you'd…

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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Post by ailun »

phreack wrote: post #49
bmitc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a workplace environment, it is completely inappropriate. Second of all, why? What do you wish to discuss? What would you like to happen? What do these people have to do with it? If you're in the U.S., do you have anything useful to discuss regarding Guantanamo Bay and the many other U.S. black sites or the Mexican concentration camps run at the border? Do you think those are appropriate conversation pieces to brin…

There is a comparable situation with Americans, many people are unaware of the Tulsa massacre, and the reaction I've seen from people first hearing about it is mostly anger at it not being taught. Personally I'd be thankful to know of censored history, particularly if it is occurring and being censored right now, in a democracy.

What? I learned about the Tulsa massacre, and another similar situation that I can’t remember (maybe in Florida?), in high school. How is it being censored?
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