A recommended watch: https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c This is what China wants you to see. Now think about what they don't watch you to see.
Fucking hell, the scale of this is crazy.
China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment
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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment
#72The comparison of the situations of the Uighurs and the African Americans is straight out of the CCP propaganda playbook. The Soviet Union used to run stories about racism in the US.
Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment
#73I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?
There are two outcomes: 1: They really will not know what you're talking about and think you're crazy and just hate Chinese people (this is common). 2: They will somewhat know what you're talking about, and have a massive list of bad things your country has done/is still doing, and you won't be happy (this is also common, but slightly less common) If you were good friends, you can mention this and drop it and try to…
Note that the outcomes you describe are only bad at preserving the status quo at that workplace.
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#74As an American, as terrible as the Chinese actions against the Uighurs in Xinjiang are I still feel we should prioritize ending our nearly twenty year long war in neighboring Afghanistan. We've created millions of refugees, caused over a hundred thousand people to die, and committed numerous human rights violations. Yet the press coverage it gets mostly centers around how we dropped the "mother of all bombs" on them…
You're completely right, but it's not going to stop the campaign against China, because human rights are not the issue. If it was, people would be out in the streets protesting all day against business done with Saudi Arabia. And people would also protest daily against the human rights violations perpetrated by the US around the world (the UN hasn't lift a finger about that either). The whole goal of the campaign is to raise popular support for a commercial campaign and maybe even a war against China.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what happens when you show this evidence to a Chinese Ambassador and diplomat. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1284784810200838145
This has been debunked, look it up.
How was it debunked? Chinese have claimed these are just prisoners being transfered. The reality is that china is a secretive state.
This person has found the video location: https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1175353408749891584
Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment
#76That loudspeaker broadcasting fun "facts" is an interesting way to reeducate captives. IIRC, the consensus among most Western experts is that this type of brainwashing isn't effective.
Perhaps, just a thought, that is because it's not intended for brainwashing as that term is usually used, but simple behavior modification. The difference being that it's not about inducing belief in the content of propaganda, but constantly underlining what beliefs it is acceptable to demonstrate outward compliance with, while other avenues demonstrate the cost of non-compliance.
The brainwashing doesn't happen to the people that are directly subject to it, but to the ones raised in an environment surrounded by people who, if they aren't true believers but are still around to be seen as models, have been cowed into behavioral conformance.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are two outcomes: 1: They really will not know what you're talking about and think you're crazy and just hate Chinese people (this is common). 2: They will somewhat know what you're talking about, and have a massive list of bad things your country has done/is still doing, and you won't be happy (this is also common, but slightly less common) If you were good friends, you can mention this and drop it and try to…
Note that the outcomes you describe are only bad at preserving the status quo at that workplace.
The outcomes will also give them a heightened sense of nationalism and feed into the idea that the West is just out to get China and Chinese people, which the media plays up quite a bit.
As an American, sitting down next to a European on vacation for more than a few minutes is never fun. Once they inevitably ask "Where are you from?", they follow it up with a lecture on American politics before I can even finish my sentence. It's tedious and it's nothing new.
It's probably way more frustrating for people having to listen to their boss lecture them at work about how screwed up a country they've never been to but you've lived your whole life in is. You're not in a position to just politely say "bye" and never see them ever again without any consequence. You certainly can't speak up against them because they're in a position of authority.
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#78Downvote me for this - If you're using China-made products, you're responsible for the bugger balls of CCP, unethical/illegal selling of human organs and what not. They are no different from a radical terrorist organization.
>Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment
#79The CCP imprisoned him and provided him a cell phone and internet so that he can communicate with the outside world... Well, if that also convinces you that I have nothing to say. This kind of propaganda from the West is something China cannot learn.
So the videos are... made on a set that Westerners set up, using movie type effects? Or does China want people to believe they are doing this to... make for chilling effects without actually committing the atrocities? The first is a positive assertion I'm acertaining because you stated this is Western Propaganda. If this is true, better start looking for evidence of this operation, because a single assumption that ph…
The BBC has a bad record. They visited the Xinjiang Education Camp. Although interviews were allowed, they used various shooting and editing techniques to make this school look dark, distorted, and scary. Then the content of the filming showed that this was only a skill training school. Until the end, they did not give up and hoped to take evidence of lying, but the scene of Xinjiang people leaving the education camp showed that the interviewee did not lie.
Here is the link and explanation of the video https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-...
So what strong evidence does this article have? A few photos and two screenshots of the chat. This is too easy to forge and can't explain much.
I propose a hypothesis: the protagonist once had a job, but he was arrested for selling marijuana (mentioned in the article). After he was released from prison, he could not find a decent job, because companies are generally unwilling to recruit people with criminal records. When he was facing financial pressure, the BBC approached him and asked him to take a few photos (and some props), then forged some chat records to help make up stories. Now he has a new job, BBC actor.
I think this hypothesis is likely to be true, but I will soon be labeled as a brainwashed person or a robot. I saw that many people here saw the BBC report, and instead of thinking about its authenticity, they directly began to scold how bad the CCP was, and then downvote all different opinions. I found it ridiculous.
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#80A recommended watch: https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c This is what China wants you to see. Now think about what they don't watch you to see.
As bad as that looks that was still clearly a staged camp. I'd assume the real ones are far worse.