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China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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The CCP imprisoned him and provided him a cell phone and internet so that he can communicate with the outside world... Well, if that also convinces you that I have nothing to say. This kind of propaganda from the West is something China cannot learn.

Sigh, more Zenz quotes and his "credible" estimates.

>A few days later, the prisoners were loaded onto minibuses and sent away to an unknown location.

It would be trivially easy to strip out the meta data and geo-locate his location to match buildings across to see if it's an actual detention site. But naw, unknown location and unverifiable documents. The sad thing is the psyops aren't very good, the audience is just that stupid.

Edit: just to clarify, the camps exist. But any article that requires Zenz for substantiation should be by default discredited. The bar for ascertaining the scope of the camps is not difficult, just geospatially catalogue all 1,200 camps Zenz claims to exist. US + allies clearly have the resources and Trump already leaked USA224 capabilities. The fact that MSM has to repeatedly use Zenz commentary is incredibly telling. Also ignore millions of social media posts from XJ showing facts on the ground. At least they talked to Darren Byler this time.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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John Oliver did an excellent piece on the situation of the uighur last week you can watch it here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=17oCQakzIl8

I have to say he has really developed his show into an excellent mix of education and entertainment. I used to not like him very much (didn't like his type of humor), but I learn something every time I watch one of his shows, even if it covers a topic I'm already quite familiar with.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

Just no.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

From a moral perspective, that's maybe one thing. From a legal it might be another - you might be construed as discriminating against them or harassing them based on their ethnicity, which is in fact valid; if they weren't chinese you wouldn't be discussing it with them. So in that sense I really would think carefully. In fact, don't.

If they bring it up themselves, for or against that slightly changes things but frankly if they're supportive of the oppression then doing anything other than telling them "keep that opinion to yourself" is a minefield. Taking them on will most likely blow up in your face. (edit: no 'most likely' about it. It will).

If they are against it and wish to discuss it with you and what to do, it's still a danger (I can't say why, more a feeling) and I'd advise them to contact/join an external group, or their MP/representative etc. and leave it at that. Shit like this discussed at work is bad news, I don't see how doing it can make things better.

Anyone who disagrees and can make a better suggestion, I'm very willing to learn from.

Edit: to those downvoters, I'm NOT saying don't discuss it, I'm saying don't do so at work. It is deeply unlikely anything helpful will come of for anyone, but it is very likely to damage your reputation or even lose you your job.

Speak up! Sure, but in the right place and to those whose job it is to make a difference.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're using China-made products, you're responsible What sort of limits do you have to this statement? You're posting this on a forum. Have you checked the country of origin of the servers and components used by the telecoms for their equipment between you and those servers?

That's a straw man though. Nobody said you need to be perfect, however there are enough products where we know exactly where they made and still ignore the human rights violations, maybe that's a good start.

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

Stop blaming individuals and expect more from your leadership.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s genuine, it might also be smuggled in? Also, cell phones tend to work anyway there’s cell coverage.

Cellphones are in prisons everywhere. Visitors and inmates stow them up their asses and they can be bought inside. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zngpz4/prison-phones-that...

You can look at #PrisonTikTok on... TikTok. You'll see a ton of footage from people in prison.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s genuine, it might also be smuggled in? Also, cell phones tend to work anyway there’s cell coverage.

Cellphones are in prisons everywhere. Visitors and inmates stow them up their asses and they can be bought inside. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zngpz4/prison-phones-that...

This is fairly likely sent from his own phone - WeChat requires you to verify via various forms of 2-factor to log in on a new phone. He also states that it's own phone in the report.
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