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China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

More to the point, what do you want them to do about it?

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As a Muslim, I do not believe this. I still remember the Iraq war. No need to believe state media companies like BBC that never questioned the narrative in the "free" world. China will win hearts, propaganda will lose.

No major Muslim country says anything about China. Should make you question everything the mainstream "free" world narrative says about China.

Old boomer era propaganda wont work :D come up with something new lazy people.

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A recommended watch: https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c This is what China wants you to see. Now think about what they don't watch you to see.

This is what happens when you show this evidence to a Chinese Ambassador and diplomat. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1284784810200838145

Those are prisoners.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

My suggestion is that you shouldn't bother. The Chinese people would not believe the Western media narrative on Xinjiang (XJ), which also doesn't really have credible sources if look deeper into their "facts" [0]. And it is increasingly clear that the XJ narrative is a US-backed propaganda rather than factual reporting [1]. Most of us would consider the western people being brainwashed into believing whatever the med…

Throwaway because yeah. What's fun is your account is four years old and you have three posts, all of which have a pro-China bias. Why are you ignoring the human rights atrocities happening in China, and why are you turfing for Xi's brutal government?

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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post #52

As a Muslim, I do not believe this. I still remember the Iraq war. No need to believe state media companies like BBC that never questioned the narrative in the "free" world. China will win hearts, propaganda will lose. No major Muslim country says anything about China. Should make you question everything the mainstream "free" world narrative says about China. Old boomer era propaganda wont work :D come up with someth…

The BBC is not a state media company. According to Wikipedia, “The BBC is a statutory corporation, independent from direct government intervention, with its activities being overseen from April 2017 by the BBC Board and regulated by Ofcom.”

This is clearly visible given that politicians keep arguing that it is biased towards the other side.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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If you're interested in this topic, I strongly suggest you all read The China Crisis By: James R. Gorrie It provides amazing insight into what's happening in the region & what we can expect to see over the coming years.

Could you share some of those insights?

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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post #24

A recommended watch: https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c This is what China wants you to see. Now think about what they don't watch you to see.

This is what happens when you show this evidence to a Chinese Ambassador and diplomat. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1284784810200838145

This has been debunked, look it up.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two outcomes: 1: They really will not know what you're talking about and think you're crazy and just hate Chinese people (this is common). 2: They will somewhat know what you're talking about, and have a massive list of bad things your country has done/is still doing, and you won't be happy (this is also common, but slightly less common) If you were good friends, you can mention this and drop it and try to…

> They will somewhat know what you're talking about, and have a massive list of bad things your country has done/is still doing, and you won't be happy Ignoring the "at work" part, you can then both realize that you should acknowledge and fight against any country doing bad things and that these bad things are not excused because other countries (or people) are also doing bad things. Two wrongs don't make a right. (I…

If someone came up to an American abroad and demanded they attest for the detention centers on the border people would call that ridiculous. The idea this person is entertaining the idea of doing the same for Chinese people who work with them is just as much so.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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I've been wondering how I could bring this up with the mainland Chinese I know. It's particularly difficult, because for some of them I'm in a supervisory/managerial role, but I don't want to put pressure on them, which would raise all sort of other ethical dilemmas and would likely not be effective. Anyone else can share experiences?

I think it’s perfectly normal in companies to share news and whatnot in various group chats. We often share news related to Xinjiang, Hong Kong, the virus, BLM, Trump, etc. We don’t all share the same political views, but we’re all adults.

Re: China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment

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post #52

As a Muslim, I do not believe this. I still remember the Iraq war. No need to believe state media companies like BBC that never questioned the narrative in the "free" world. China will win hearts, propaganda will lose. No major Muslim country says anything about China. Should make you question everything the mainstream "free" world narrative says about China. Old boomer era propaganda wont work :D come up with someth…

> No need to believe state media companies like BBC that never questioned the narrative in the "free" world.

While not so much as, say, the Guardian, I remember the BBC questioning the US/UK government narrative, and indeed outright refuting it on a number of points. It's been quite a while, ISTR it was the BBC was one of the earlier (at least of the large number of news sources I was then following) carried the detailed breakdown of how the supposed WMD trailers were, and were known by both the British and American governments to be, systems for inflating and deploying weather balloons that had been sold to Iraq by the British government in the 1980s.

> China will win hearts, propaganda will lose.

The two statements are incompatible. You probably mean to replace the second with “Chinese propaganda will win.”

> No major Muslim country says anything about China

A lot of them are looking to China to counterbalance other regional threats, and others (notably Malaysia) have overtly expressed concern about China's actions towards the Uighurs but also explicitly said they can't take a stand on the issue because of the risk of provoking China.

> Should make you question everything the mainstream "free" world narrative says about China.

Why should the “free world” saying the same thing as Muslim countries that aren’t trying to seek Chinese support for geopolitical reasons, but louder because they aren't under meaningful immediate threat by China, make me question what they are saying?

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