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The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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As always, who judges whether something is true?

Another fun one I ask when someone brings up Snopes: Who snopes the snopes? In other words how do we know they are not being biased or thorough enough? I am not saying everything there is wrong but I have ran into weird biased articles before.

Which ones?

I'm curious if the bias is perceived or blatant.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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> it is not that the facts it reports tend to be inaccurate yes it is. I really lost faith in nyt when they ran article about running out of running out of charge in a Tesla. When they were caught red handed lying they still wouldn't admit to it. Their response was: "Problems With Precision and Judgment, but Not Integrity, in Tesla Test" They just don't get it. People are sick of their BS and they need to just comp t…

> The days of BSing people are over. Really?

Now instead of one or two popular crackpots selling snake oil we have hundreds on social media and elsewhere spreading the equivalent of snake oil.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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That's why I buy my "news" at Amazon, as e-books on the topics I'm interested, since for 99.9999999999% of the things happening in the world, nobody really cares about how many months they will have to wait for my opinion.

If you choose to abstain from current events then you assume responsibility for the outcome. Functioning democratic societies require active, engaged citizenry. Passive, disengaged voters are what creates the conditions for Donald Trump to arise.

This is a terrible road to go down. Abstaining should not be seen as support.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, who judges whether something is true?

Another fun one I ask when someone brings up Snopes: Who snopes the snopes? In other words how do we know they are not being biased or thorough enough? I am not saying everything there is wrong but I have ran into weird biased articles before.

You can, follow their sources. Even if they're only 90-95 correct that is orders of magnitude better than what's on facebook and twitter where people go just because someone put up a picture with words on it.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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I am in wholehearted agreement on a tax on lies so long as I get to decide which articles are lies.

Again why is THIS downvoted? Am I taking crazy pills or are downvotes completely meaningless?

Perhaps because OP seems to be suggesting: "there is no truth, facts (and lies) are relative."

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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There's been a lot of coverage around false-flag sorts of behavior in Portland, but the fact that this thing is being pumped through the lie pipelines that originate with places like RT (Russian state-controlled media) is kinda a dead giveaway. We can get into a nuanced discussion of "is it really lying" since there's a video, but I have not been a party to any conversations in my lifetime that start with a nuanced d…

1) There are protestors 2) They are doing things 3) "Protestors are doing things" is a lie because they might not "actually" be part of the protestors but instead be false-flag undercover agents? That's wild. You can't have a functioning press under those assumptions, because you don't know for absolute certain that everything is the way it looks. Donald Trump might be a long-term agent of the Democratic Party aiming…

A technically true statement in a falsified context is actually still an utter lie.

For an example close to my heart, I can't count how many videos I've seen purporting to show little innocent children dying in Gaza (killed by the IDF) or in Syria (killed by Insert Party Here) that were actually from Syria (ie: not the IDF) or Iraq (ie: not your least-favorite party to the Syrian Civil War).

Is it a lie if I post a video of my dog playing fetch and say it's someone else's dog doing a trick? Hell yes it is.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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> it is not that the facts it reports tend to be inaccurate yes it is. I really lost faith in nyt when they ran article about running out of running out of charge in a Tesla. When they were caught red handed lying they still wouldn't admit to it. Their response was: "Problems With Precision and Judgment, but Not Integrity, in Tesla Test" They just don't get it. People are sick of their BS and they need to just comp t…

What does the author of this piece want? The "truth", or even a plausible interpretation of the facts, is expensive to produce. It is even more expensive when you do it every day covering a wide array of topics. If you value facts and good analysis, pay for them. It's that simple. Sure, the New York Times gets a lot of things wrong. So does everyone else, including many commenters on HN. * But a lot of what the New Y…

>If you value facts and good analysis, pay for them.

If you have a society where people must pay for truths but are given lies freely, then should we be surprised when people believe lies? Given those people have equal say in how things are ran as the people willing to pay for truth, doesn't this cause a social level problem?

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#228

> it is not that the facts it reports tend to be inaccurate yes it is. I really lost faith in nyt when they ran article about running out of running out of charge in a Tesla. When they were caught red handed lying they still wouldn't admit to it. Their response was: "Problems With Precision and Judgment, but Not Integrity, in Tesla Test" They just don't get it. People are sick of their BS and they need to just comp t…

What does the author of this piece want? The "truth", or even a plausible interpretation of the facts, is expensive to produce. It is even more expensive when you do it every day covering a wide array of topics. If you value facts and good analysis, pay for them. It's that simple. Sure, the New York Times gets a lot of things wrong. So does everyone else, including many commenters on HN. * But a lot of what the New Y…

I will never pay for the nyt... I would much rather give my money to a patreon where someone actually knows something about the topics I am intersted in. Journalists reporting on topics they don't understand doesn't make sense...

https://www.patreon.com/hyperchange

https://www.patreon.com/EverydayAstronaut

furthermore, nyt are mostly shills for their advertisers. That is why nyt trashed tesla because GM and Ford advertise. Here is proof they are shills for advertisers. All the tesla killer articles about their advertisers that were absurd... even the writers buried a disclaimer at the bottom of the article:

https://medium.com/@andrewt3000/tesla-versus-the-chevy-bolt-...

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you choose to abstain from current events then you assume responsibility for the outcome. Functioning democratic societies require active, engaged citizenry. Passive, disengaged voters are what creates the conditions for Donald Trump to arise.

This is a terrible road to go down. Abstaining should not be seen as support.

Abstaining should however be seen as allowing others to act with impunity.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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post #209
post #118

That's why I buy my "news" at Amazon, as e-books on the topics I'm interested, since for 99.9999999999% of the things happening in the world, nobody really cares about how many months they will have to wait for my opinion.

If you choose to abstain from current events then you assume responsibility for the outcome. Functioning democratic societies require active, engaged citizenry. Passive, disengaged voters are what creates the conditions for Donald Trump to arise.

It could also be said, equally assuredly, that active, engaged voters are what creates the conditions for Donald Trump to arise.
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