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Post by zozbot234 » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

skinnymuch wrote: post #145

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #44

Hmm next what, people will abandon Facebook and flock back to thematic PHPBB forums? (I honestly can't wait!)

People aren’t remembering the negatives to these. I still use a normal style forum sometimes. Being single threaded is annoying. People keep asking the same questions or repeating the same stuff again and again. No fault of their own. Discovery in a single thread is crazy hard. Finding what you’re looking for in a thread can take a long time. Some one may ask a question your interested in knowing the answer to, but f…

> People keep asking the same questions or repeating the same stuff again and again.

That's what FAQ lists are for. Many forums have wiki-like features where FAQ-like information can be stored and kept up-to-date.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by wombatmobile » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

the_af wrote: post #185

GuB-42 wrote: post #139

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I don't know how Yahoo spied on their users, privacy wasn't that big a thing in the early 2000s. But just look at the difference between the Google homepage and that of Yahoo from 1999. Google was a simple "search" box, Yahoo was cluttered with tons of stuff, including ads. What made Google successful, besides being very effective as a search engine, is that it didn't have annoying ads, trivia and dubious content. Ti…

Agreed. I remember when someone first showed me Google's search page. It was so uncluttered it was shocking. I didn't notice anything about the quality of search results, or how they compared with Yahoo, Altavista, Lycos or the rest. Just that it was so clean and uncluttered.

Yes, Google's search page was a work of art that would make Edward Tufte proud.

What we didn't know then is that Google would achieve exponential growth to reach trillion dollar status by surreptitiously harvesting each user's search queery history, tracking their browsing histories by IP address, scanning their gmail, surveilling their movements via android, and putting it all together to achieve an advertising monopoly the likes of which Hearst, Pulitzer, Beaverbrook, Ogilvie and Murdoch could only ever dream about.

All without the cost of employing a single journalist.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by jonny_eh » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #205

nikhizzle wrote: post #121

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Ex-yahoo here, thought I would add my 2 cents. Yahoo under Jerry and Filo (love them both, this is not personal) had a twin culture of niceness and bureaucracy which killed us. Here are an example of each: 1. Niceness - a coworker decided to just randomly not show up for work (not WFH, just disappear occasionally). I took it to management, and was told we don’t want to hurt his feelings. 2. Bureaucracy - I left yahoo…

> a coworker decided to just randomly not show up for work [... ] I took it to management out of the context provided, this sounds likes like none of your business?

What if you need that coworker to do your job?

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by jonny_eh » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

g5becks wrote: post #128

mmahemoff wrote: post #98

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You can at least draw a line from Delicious to Reddit. Digg was originally modelled on the "popular" section of Delicious, an example of building a product out of a feature. Then Reddit saw a huge boost from the eventual Digg community exodus, after a time when Digg itself was the cultural nerve centre.

I was wondering if anyone was going to point this out. I can remember digg being bigger than everything besides maybe stumbleupon for a short while when it came to bookmarking sites.I never would have imagined reddit being what it is now.

I miss the days when big sites/companies would sometimes go under.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by idlewords » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

nikhizzle wrote: post #233

organsnyder wrote: post #130

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Hard to tell without context, but that first example could easily be a positive: not only is extending grace to employees ethically a good thing to do, but it can also lead to increased productivity in the long run. Of course, if the employee was completely MIA for an extended period of time and no effort was made to contact them, that's neither ethical nor productive.

The employee was taking off days without taking vacation to work on hobbies without telling HR or Management. He was just not showing up. This happened with many employees all the time.

My coworker at a Yahoo office in SF moved to Uruguay (where his wife is from) and then expected the company to fly him in for important meetings. He got away with it for a bit before HR caught wind. Even for them it was too much.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by idlewords » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #258

Not to rain on the parade, but serious question: are bookmarks actually useful anymore? It's funny, I'm trying to remember when I simply stopped using bookmarks. 5 years ago, maybe? 10? I'm not entirely sure. I used to have elaborate folder hierachies of bookmarks in my browser. But at some point, I realized anytime I needed something, it was faster to just type a keyword or two in the address bar. Either it was ther…

Try to search for anything more than a couple of years old on Google and you will have a very difficult time.

That said, the "just search for it" paradigm is the correct way to think about bookmarking, as Joshua Schachter taught me. Bookmarking sites just take care of the haystack for you so the various needles you want to find later don't disappear.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by ihuman » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #290

markstos wrote: post #264

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So is the news this month that he plans to make it read/write again?

I don't think write is in the works.

If it's still read-only, then what's changing?

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by idlewords » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

markstos wrote: post #264

jelv wrote: post #33

Pinboard/Maciej bought it 3 years ago and put it into read-only mode. Details: https://blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious...

So is the news this month that he plans to make it read/write again?

Someone just saw a parking page and it ends up on HN. I'm not sure why.

But I'm bringing it back online with a pre-Yahoo design in a few days, once I finish stomping the bigger bugs.

I run a for-profit bookmarking service based off of early del.icio.us so you can take a guess as to whether O.G. delicious will be read/write or read-only.

Re: Del.icio.us

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Post by quadrifoliate » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

mcny wrote: post #124

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #91

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Yahoo spied on users the same as the rest of them, they were just incompetent and bled users for years. They were never especially well managed, but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator. > resulted in a world that employs less than half the number of journalists than 20 years ago This is a direct result of the internet in general. With lower publ…

> but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator. Verizon was and still is very scary. Whether or not they are incompetent, companies that came from the mother bell, att, Verizon, CenturyLink, ... And all major ISPs are scary. Verizon's supercookie thing was revealed shortly before it's acquisition of Yahoo! And Aol. If Oath/Verizon Media succeeds as a…

> Whether or not they are incompetent, companies that came from the mother bell, att, Verizon, CenturyLink, ... And all major ISPs are scary.

In fact, in some ways, the incompetence makes them less scary. Imagine the reach that Verizon would have with content delivery that was better than Netflix and webmail that was better than Gmail; and the resulting potential privacy concerns.

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Post by chipotle_coyote » Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #181

b4ke wrote: post #176

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I doubt long.... i attempted to create a new account the other day. it was a failed affair.

It's too bad. I find it a handy place to keep my "good" photos in a way they can be publicly accessed. And act as a backup of last resort. But my sense from various moves/announcements they've made is that the revenue/cost may not be working out. I hope that's not the case but... The other big loss for me personally is that they're a great source of CC photographs (in addition to the Flickr Commons). But it's probabl…

> But my sense from various moves/announcements they've made is that the revenue/cost may not be working out. I hope that's not the case but...

I'm curious what those moves/announcements are; I haven't been keeping up with Flickr, but I was actually rather happy SmugMug bought them as opposed to most other possible outcomes. SmugMug has always been a subscription-supported service with no free plans, so they were always "doomed" to be much smaller than competitors -- but they've also been around since 2002, are apparently profitable, and remain pretty laser-focused on their niche.